The League of Apostate Pioneers (page 2)

daniel-p

I do it all the time.

You won't be doing it for long.

undercover

"One cannot actively speak against WT doctrine and not expect to escape scrutiny from the elders."

I do it all the time.

I'm callin' bullshit.

Maybe you and your little friends sit around by yourselves and bitch about having to go to meetings and service, but if you're "actively speaking against WT teachings" outside your circle of "apostate" friends, it'll be like daniel-p said...you won't be doing it for long

lancelink

Maybe you and your little friends sit around by yourselves and bitch about having to go to meetings and service, but if you're "actively speaking against WT teachings" outside your circle of "apostate" friends, it'll be like daniel-p said...you won't be doing it for long

AMEN !

It sounds like they are speaking out of both sides of their mouths,

The WT is bad and so are we heh, heh, heh !!

Suddenly an elder appears and they are ramrod straight / loyal to the core witnesses .

I'm very well familiar with this mindset because there was a group of people at my hall back in the 70's (including myself)

who thought the same way.

"Mess up once and your heads will roll, unless one of your parents is someone of importance in the hall", I seem to remember that "Elder daddy"

would bend over backwards to protect his position no matter what.

A true story::: In 1978 this so called friend and PO's son was drinking at age 19 quite a bit. he came home one night after work(he was a mechanic at a local gas station) very sloshed. As he walked into the house PO dad and pioneer mom were having a dinner party with several couples from the hall. He walked in went to his room, shut the door, and threw up . The whole group outside just ignored it and later when everyone had left PO dad went into the room and smacked his kid around telling him to quit drinking.

No help, no "kind and gentle words" just a get yourself straightened out before someone says something" attitude. He kept on drinking ALOT after that and daddy just kept on covering up for him!

He is now divoriced and out of the religion, and his other two brothers are equally if not more messed up with their lives.

Thanks Randy, Kevin, and Tim, from Crystal lake Illinois you all planted a seed in my conscience regarding the JW religion that did not start growing until 25 years later !

lancelink

I forgot to mention that when he threw up this night, he told me that he was laying on his back, so he could have drowned in his own puke.

Dad saw this and ignored it, his position was more important than his son's health.

I heard this story from two of the brothers who talked about it for months afterward as if it was a badge of honor,, sick.

They would also buy and sell pot in their garage, but that is another long story for another time.

And they were quite vocal about how bad they were, yet if daddy or another member of the hall approached them, they were grown up

WT, JW angels.

startingovernow

Just say no to pioneer if you don't like service and leave if you don't agree with JW teachings - there are too many hypocritical JWs already, no need to add to the "list."

Megachusen

To lancelink, Undercover, and Daneil-p:

Fuck off.

You completely missed the point of my original post. We aren't running around the hall gloating about how "bad" we are(the brothel part was in jest and if you couldn't see that then you're a complete idiot). The reason why I was thinking about starting the "Apostate Pioneer League" is because they are essentially being forced by their parents to pioneer. They don't have a choice. It's either get a full time job or pioneer and most of them can't find work.

And speaking of not having a choice, if they could move out and DA themselves they would. Two of them are under 18 and the one who is 18 wants to room with me but neither of us can support ourselves right now. So until we can we have to pretend to be in the religion. That doesn't mean that we can't speak the truth about the religion to people on the outside. And it certainly doesn't mean that we have to straight up kiss all the elders' asses.

Some of you might as well still be in the religion -- you are still as dogmatic and judgemental as any of them.

lrkr

My recommendation- don't waste your time. Talk to a guidance counselor and figure out how to get financial aid and get into college. In the long run, it will be much more fulfilling and good for you than any attempt at looking like you're playing by the KH rules. (I wish I had done that!)

All the best.

Scarred for life

Say no to your parents. You are not going to pioneer.

Do whatever it takes to finish high school.

Do whatever you can to find a job that pays money. Babysit children, mow lawns, paint houses, find roofing work, find construction or remodeling work. Anything. You can find a job if you look hard enough and are willing to accept anything that pays money.

You can get loans to go to college and pay for your living expenses. Contact the financial aid office of your nearest community college.

YOU CAN DO IT. YOU CAN ESCAPE THE PRISON OF THE WTBTS. NOW IS THE PERFECT TIME. YOU ARE NOT MARRIED. YOU DON"T HAVE CHILDREN.

DO IT NOW! I did it.

YoursChelbie

The idea of spreading the truth about the truth lie is good. Definitely keep that up.

However, if you are out of HS the best thing is to tell your parents you NEED to go to a community college to get a "trade" (jw buzzword.)

But you actually will be working to get a degree in something you like. That way--explain to them-- you will be able to "carry your own load' (another jw buzz phrase.) Reach a compromise with your parents: tell them you will put in so many hours of "field service"-- actually time as an apostate pioneer. And in exchange they will help you apply and/or qualify for financial aid to attend a local college this summer.

Everyone needs a car to pioneer so you can tell them that to better your chances to get employment to buy the car, you NEED a degree.

Then when you have completed your education get a good paying job, then a car, then get DA, then get out! In that order.

GOOD LUCK!

YC

yknot

Go for it !!!!

My FS group (referred to as the Momineers) goof on FS all the time.

So here is some advice before embarking on your little club.

A) Have some really good door presentations down pat for when an Elder decides to ride shot gun to make sure yall are not flubbing.

B) A cheap pre-paid cell number for fake RV or study to cancel when Elder wants to 'sit in'.

Act zealous enough that the Elders might want to pitch you to the CO for an Assy/DC experience but not so much that they can smell the BS you are fudging as FS numbers.

Most 18 year olds are not ready to move out entirely and when they do they usually fail the first go round in the responsibility department, so stay at home until you can secure dorm rooms!

Before you go full pioneer, start by aux pioneering for the first 3 months of this venture..... show some signs of 'struggling' but make up for that with wanting to please and serve!

As you know already job prospects suck for most people your age and the pay would probably take three of you to maintain the living expenses for a small apartment..... so while yall are goofing on your time be deciding on either college or technical school. If you can't get into college right away take the technical school training by getting the Elders involved. Tell them you want to continue pioneering but you realize you will need a job that allows you financially and time wise to get your hours. Hand them a list of workforce suggestions you are considering and see if they can't assist you in your decision.... blah blah blah the whole point here is to make them feel you are trying to serve..... this way when you enroll you won't get much slack.

In the presence of any JW......(outside of your buds) only speak about theocratic matters using the typical JW brainwashed lingo and repetition.

Know your pubs inside and out, quote talks you have heard.......beg for territory nobody wants, ask what to expect and then drag it out.....

Last but not least...... write down the license plates of every freaking member of your congregation.....at yall's young age yall might be followed to see if yall are actually going in service.

Again express interest in pioneering but allow the Elders to steer you into how many hours they want you to achieve while seeing if you will be a good pioneer candidate......

Keep us posted on your adventures!

The League of Apostate Pioneers

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