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by Decided 32 Replies latest jw friends

  • Mattieu
    Mattieu

    Hi Ken, so sorry to hear the bad news, thinking of you buddy.

    In regards to

    Is this common in todays congregations? No one knows why he did this.

    I only know of 2 brothers who sadly did commit suicide, one of them would be the last person you would pick. He was in my pioneer school and the last time I saw him was at the Sunday meeting, he was an MS, answering up, doing mike duty, looked very happy. Yet was suffering from depression as most JW's do.

    There was also a spate of suicides amongst jw's back in the late 80's in Sydney including one at Bethel, though I do not know of the facts. I think it would definitely help you personally to go to the Memorial. Stay safe. Mattieu.

  • jamiebowers
    jamiebowers

    My sympathy...when you're ready you may want to Google Dr. Jerry Bergman or look for him on YouTube.

  • shamus100
    shamus100

    Ken,

    It's a fact when one member of a family kill him or herself, it is far more likely that others will repeat the act.

    I'm terribly sorry for your loss.

  • Robdar
    Robdar

    My condolences to you.

  • steve2
    steve2

    Hi Ken,

    My thoughts are with you and with your second cousin's family. Death by suicide is hard for family and friends to bear under any circumstances and your question about its incidence among the witnesses is a good one. To the best of my knowledge no rigorous, scientific study on the incidence of suicide among the witnesses has ever been done. Some observers have speculated about the incidence of mental illness among the witnesses, but it is important to stress these are speculative and not good examples of well-designed studies. Unfortunately, Jerry Bergman's "work" on the topic of mental illness among the witnesses is deeply flawed and he lets his hunches run away with him. He speaks in terms of comparative percentages of mental illness among the witnesses compared with the general population. Moreover, his thesis is simplistic; namely, that the Watchtower teachings "cause" mental illness. There are other hypotheses that could be equally plausible such as these 2:

    1. troubled people are morel likely than others to be attracted to the Watchtower's teachings so they "bring" their mental-health problems with them into the religion.

    2. the witnesses, as a marginalised and misunderstood group are more likely than others to be subjected to stress and hence more likely to experience mental health problems.

    I must say that, in my opinion, there is no compelling evidence that witnesses suffer higher than "normal" rates of mental illness than non-witnesses. This does not minimise the seriousness of these problems. Anyone prone to mental health problems, especially if it is accompanied by suicidal thoughts, needs to be taken seriously and given good quality help. Those with suicidal thoughts can be helped to address the problems that have led them to feel that way and develop more helpful ways of coping.

    Take care.

  • StAnn
    StAnn

    Ken and Gary, 's to you both. So sad to lose people we love under any circumstance, especially suicide.

    Remember that brother a few months back who set his KH on fire and then shot himself in the bathroom? I certainly hope this isn't an emerging trend for Dubs. As much as I dislike the WTS, the Dubs can't leave it and find real lives if they're not alive.

    StAnn

  • truthsetsonefree
    truthsetsonefree

    I'm so sorry for your loss. This is not common for JWs. Most JWs just have a low level malaise thing going on. Its unfortunate and something many of us have dealt with. Feel free to avail yourself of whatever help you need, both here and secularly.

    Isaac

  • sspo
    sspo

    Sorry for your loss.

  • Mrs. Fiorini
    Mrs. Fiorini

    My condolences to you and your family.

    Life in any high control, authoritarian organization like the WT is stressful for many followers. I don't know if it's enough to affect suicide rates or not. Either way, suicide is very painful for all involved. Take care of yourself during this difficult time.

  • Tired of the Hypocrisy
    Tired of the Hypocrisy

    This is very sad. I am sorry for your loss.

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