Changes to the Kingdom Interlinear

by PanzerZauberei 48 Replies latest watchtower bible

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  PanzerZauberei

  In the 1969 KIT the society used a book by Bible scholar Justus Lipsius as source material for their upright stake "Stauros" doctrine of the death of Christ. They used an image of a man hung on an upright stake with no crossbeam attached to it. Then they placed a caption under it saying that the illustration came from Lipsius. This implies that Lipsius actually backed their teaching. The thing is that Lipsius had many, many illustrations of various methods and implements of crucifixion. They didn't show all of them, just that one. Also, if you read his writings, Lipsius taught that Jesus was actually crucified on a cross. So, they were using dishonest means to get people to believe that Justus Lipsius supported an anti-cross teaching.

  Well, Christian groups fell on the society like a thousand of brick. They called them on their lie and so the society had to change things. But how do they make a change to keep from being sued while still maintaining a false teaching? Easy, they make an updated KIT in 1985 and remove ALL references to Lipsius' work. All they really use is that same image of a man impaled on an upright stake with no reference to its source. They also never made the information about their shenanigans available to the rank and file jw's. They never counted on people actually ignoring their command to not delve into their past I guess. So, here I have to share with you all is some scans I have from BOTH KITs and several of Lipsius' illustrations. They are graphic so if you are squeamish I advise against looking at them.

  Enjoy!

  Lorenzo

  http://s429.photobucket.com/albums/qq19/Watchtower_Facts/Justus%20Lipsius/
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  quietlyleaving

  thanks for sharing your research lorenzo. I have both versions of the KIT and will treat them like gold!
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  scholar

  PanzerZauberi

  Your claim that the WTS with its NWT and KIT has been misleading with the use of the illustration of the stake by Justus Lipsius is false and misleading. If you had taken the trouble to read the context of all of the presentations in the above you would simply find that this illustration was simply used to show an example of being hung on a stake which of course as the evidence shows was the instrument used for the execution of our Lord.

  scholar JW
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  leavingwt

  PZ, meet scholar.
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  Leolaia

  *** w80 2/15 p. 30 Insight on the News ***
  
  Whether the wooden sculpture is the work of the 16th-century artist Michelangelo or not, it illustrates that the impalement of Christ on a cross frame has not always been so certain as Christendom’s leaders today would have people believe. For example, the 16th-century Roman Catholic scholar Justus Lipsius illustrated impalement on an upright stake in his book “De Cruce Liber Primus.” This fits the meaning of the Greek word used in the Bible to describe the impalement of Christ—“stauros”—which “denotes, primarily, an upright pale or stake.”

  Why is Lipsius cited as an "example" that "the impalement of Christ on a cross frame has not always been so certain as Christendom's leaders today would have people believe"?
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  villabolo

  Scholar who are you kidding other than yourself! Randall Watters blasted the JW misquotation of De Cruce Liber Primus by citing, actually photocopying what the book actually said about what kind of "cross" the church fathers believed Jesus was executed on. Look at Wikipedia under crucixion and do a Google for patibulum and stipes. Those are the Latin words for post and crossbeam. The condemned man carried the crossbeam to his place of execution where the post, permanently fixed into the ground, was located. The crossbeam would then be hoisted on top of the post. By the way, ever wonder why the NT has two words for the same object?

  In any case how can you trust the credibility of a religion that claims that a cross is a phallic object? You might as well say that the letter o is an anal symbol! The GB simply has too much imagination repressed sexuality.
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  donny

  Scholar JW? Is that possible?
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  scholar

  Leolaia

  The answer to your question is rather simple for if you had read the first paragraph of the article you would have seen that it was responding to an alleged sculpture by Michelangelo of a figure of Christ with his hands stretched above him rather than to the side. This observation of a perhaps 16th century Michelangelo nicely parallels the research by Lipsius of the same period his foremost book on the Cross which contains illustrations of a crux simplex as an instrument of execution. The sculpture of Christ alone shows that even at that time there was some uncertainty about the instrument of Christ's death and it nicely coincides with the Catholic piriest Lipsisus observation on matters.

  scholar JW
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  Leolaia

  Of course I read the first paragraph. Your misdirection fails to explain how Lipsius is supposed to be an example of the same thing as the Michelangelo sculpture. Do you understand the meaning of the expression "for example"? It starts a sentence supplying an example of what is described in the previous sentence. You do know that, right?
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  scholar

  villabolo

  I care naught what Randy Watters says and photocopying Lipsius ' work is a waste of time because all that the Society states is that his book contains a picture of a stake with no other implication for the content of the book discusses the cross in history and the evidence clearly proves that Jesus died on a stake and not a cross so we can be eternally grateful to the celebrated WT scholars for this piece of brilliant scholarship.

  scholar JW