How bad IS this religion on a relationship??

by -Tank 37 Replies latest social relationships

  • sass_my_frass
    sass_my_frass

    Re what you said:

    I truly believe if both people are willing to compromise, it is not giving up anything. Compromising is not giving up on anything. You make choices to help each other out, and that in turn helps yourself out, and in the end, it can work out. I believe ANYTHING...ANYTHING, can work, if you have two people, who are willing to compromise, you can make anything work.

    I agree 100%; to me this is the only way a relationship can withstand the years. If one person is not able to, it doesn't matter what their reasons are, the other is a doormat. This should be ringing a big loud warning bell to you. You're a man right?

    Seems to me her biggest fear is, she would get in trouble from her congregation for having a "worldly" man, and that she would then lose the privilege of being able to go door to door. She would also never hear the end of it from her congregation for being in a relationship with a worldly man. Once a JW is married, if it is to a non JW, do they actually encourage you to divorce that person?? I have not heard of THAT, but I have heard they are pretty strongly against it, and try with the guilt trip all the time.

    She wouldn't lose the privilege of field service, nobody loses that. There are a few random privileges she might lose but as a woman, nothing significant. A man would lose the holy privilege of say, handing out the microphones. A woman might not be able to have a field service group at her house. Cry me a river. You are, as you say, giving up infinitely more, and she's pretending that doesn't compare. Run, run, open your eyes and run.

    How do you tell a human being "OK, you can only fall in love with certain people, and if it just so happens to be that you do the human thing and fall in love with another human who is not in our religion, to bad, so sad, spend your life lonely and without them"

    Yeah that's a bummer. You won't spend your life sad and lonely though. You've clearly got her on a pedestal that it would probably take you a few years to dismantle, but then you'd notice how many actual sweethearts there are out there.

    I do realize, me coming back, and asking for help once again, makes me look like a fool. I understand that. I know everyone here must be thinking "why doesn't this guy just leave already, there is so many other woman out there, why is he letting himself get kicked around like this?"

    No not a fool; and certainly not the first person it's happened to.

    I need to say for my own dignity, that when we are together, or talking on the phone or whatever, and religion is not part of it, it is absolutely incredible, just a awesome relationship. I can't even find the best words to describe it, but when she is not trying to pressure me into converting, it is the best feeling I ever get in the world, and I am not ever happier than I am in those moments.

    That's great, but apparently you're not in each other's company often, and are in different cities? When the holiday is over, a couple of years down the track, the only thing left in your life will be those religion moments. Take all of those ugly moments you've had together over that, add them together, and multiply by the rest of your life. That's your future.

    That is just something I want you guys to know, so that you understand my motive here. If I give up this woman, I give up on love, and ever having love in my life again, she is just amazing.

    I'm sure she's amazing and pretty great for you and otherwise a perfect match, but you won't be giving up on love. Those are the words of a delusional person. You can't tell, because you're the delusional person.

    At the same time, I have to stick to MY OWN guns as well. I will continue to offer my compromises, but beyond that point, I just do not think I could do anything else (become a baptized door to door JW)

    Sure, offer your compromises. See how much longer you can bear it.

  • sass_my_frass
    sass_my_frass

    Sorry, I've been unnecessarily harsh, I always forget that there's also a nice girl in this story too.

    Give yourselves every chance you can, but be honest from the start. You won't get away with a farce. Tell her what you really think of the religion. If it's love, you'll be able to work it out together, you'll find an actual compromise. But you can't play a game forever, it will just keep getting worse.

    Think honesty.

  • -Tank
    -Tank

    I have made the choice to stick to my guns.

    I feel this is a conversation I should have with her in person, instead of phone or e-mail, what is the opinion on this from you guys? I figure if we can talk in person, I can look into her eyes and she will know I will not budge, and I can also read her eyes, to try and decode what she is really feeling. That and she cannot hang up on me, or block my e-mails, I want the chance to say everything I want to say without being walked away from.

  • BabaYaga
    BabaYaga
    Tank said: I do realize, me coming back, and asking for help once again, makes me look like a fool. I understand that. I know everyone here must be thinking "why doesn't this guy just leave already, there is so many other woman out there, why is he letting himself get kicked around like this?"

    I need to say for my own dignity, that when we are together, or talking on the phone or whatever, and religion is not part of it, it is absolutely incredible, just a awesome relationship.

    I'm so glad to see you checked back, Tank! First of all, you do NOT look like a fool. If any of us sound too harsh, it is because we all know how much this hurts and we know how hopeless this situation is.

    I understand completely her being wonderful when you are not talking about religion. This is covered in the Hassan book. There is an AUTHENTIC personality and a CULT personality. Seriously, I cannot stress this enough... you need to get and read the Steven Hassan book I recommended ASAP.

    All the best to you. Get and read the book.

    Love,
    Baba.

  • LouBelle
    LouBelle

    I'm guessing that what you want to hear is that 'it will work'. The fact reamains that if she marries you she will be unevenly yoked, according to the JWs. She will never be able to have people over to socialise because you wouldn't be in the faith, you wouldn't get invited out by other JW couples as it might be awkward and you're an unbeliever.

    I may not agree with that faith but see it from her perspective as well (if you truly love her as you claim) Try reason what she would have to give up if she married you.

    You claim that your life would be sad & miserable with out this woman? Are you lacking something that you need another to make you feel so complete. My suggestion would be to make sure you feel a whole about you before you look to someone else to fill a void or to make you happy.

    And yes, there are many people out there to love wholeheartedly.

  • carla
    carla

    Today she is using your love against you to make you join what you know to be a dangerous and deadly cult, tomorrow how will she emotionally blackmail you? Will you ever be good enough for her? First you must go to just a few meetings, next it will be a full study, then why is it taking so long for you to get baptized? then, why aren't you reaching out to become a ms or elder? why aren't you doing more fs? and so on .....

    Most people who have been in a long term relationship feel they will never love anybody again, that is normal. Can you really live your life with an entire congregation in the middle of you two? Can you live your life with some old men in NY deciding what you can read, watch, games you can play, how you spend all your time, how you can make love to this woman, possibly your career, no more education to better yourself and the list can go on and on.

    You think your love is somehow more special, different, more, deeper, whatever, and can withstand the difficulties of having the cult in the middle. We all thought that and you are talking to people who have been married for many many years. Sorry but 4 years is just ripple in the time most of us have spent with one person. It is possible to move on.

    Are you ready to have children with this woman? Picture yourself and her holding a beautiful baby, got it? Actually visualize that little baby and the love & joy you both feel over this precious being you two created. Go ahead, picture the little fingers, hair, eyes, chubby little cheeks,sweet little baby smile, can you smell that baby smell? Now picture yourself having to let that beautiful little baby die because the jw's demand it and you will go along because you have been emasculated and don't have the balls left to do the right thing. Got that image now? can you live with that? could you live with remembering a time when you were a man who would have stood up for what is right and the pain of losing a child? Sorry if this is harsh but it is a reality for many jw's.

    (paragraphs disappeared-editing in old jwd site-test)

  • sacolton
    sacolton

    You're out-numbered and out-matched, my friend. She has God's spirit-directed organization that is "the truth" and she'll lay down her life to defend it. You will never ever measure up to her high-expectations - you will either be "worldly" or "spiritually weak". Which do you prefer?

  • LouBelle
    LouBelle

    Why not tell her how you truly feel - if you can't do that....you got to ask how real is the relationship then?

  • esiouil
    esiouil

    I AM 72 MY WIFE IS69 WE GOT MARRIED JAN 2008 SHE TOLD ME SHE WAS A JW BEFORE WE GOT MARRIED I said to her it did not matter to me even if she was of another faith and I am not a pacifist she finds that she has to keep and associate only with JWs and now I THINK THRU ignorance people seem to hate the relgion my previous children wwill not take to her because of an uncle turned on his daughter becuase she would not go to the KINGDOM HALL were I have only met kind people but I wish THEY WOULD ALL AT LEAST DEFEND THERE RELGION IN STEAD OF LETTING PEOPLE WALK ALL OVER THEM AND THEN LET OTHERS DEFEND THEM

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    At 72 and 69, newlyweds, I wish you peace and happiness, thanks for posting esiouil .

    purps

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