Does JW Dogma Allow for an E.L.E.?

by compound complex 24 Replies latest jw friends

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  cameo-d

  CoCo,

  Forgive me for slightly derailing your topic momentarily. But there is something here that really strikes a nerve with me. I am under the impression that the JWs are taught that the mass annhilation of billions will be selective.(please tell me if I am wrong.)

  Are they under the impression that it will be quick and painless for those billions? Do they not believe that it's only the "bad people" (read "all non-JW's") that will be picked off individually?

  If there were an extinction level event it would be indiscriminate. Are they being taught that this is not possible?

  Since they often include some little scientific tidbit in the magazine every month, is that supposed to subliminally imply that their teachings come from solid scientific facts?

  If there were to be an event, like what is depicted in your film clip, where people had a few days notice and could see the demise of humanity on its way, right in front of them...it would be a horrible awakening for them to suddenly see how wrong they had been all those years. And how they had thrown their families to the dogs for a WT lie. Is that what it would take to make them wake up? Or would they still go on believing that an E.L.E. would not affect them?

  P.S. Everyday there is an extinction level event for somebody!
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  compound complex

  Greetings, cameo:

  In any case the organization through its spokespeople will tend to avoid truth, responsibility and facts.

  The above is from carla's thread on the tragedy of Jett Travolta's death. Because of their patent disregard for scholastic honesty in any sense of the word, the WTB&TS can be counted on absolutely for avoiding the truth, responsibility and facts in numerous matters.

  Having no in-depth Watchtower-based information on this subject prior to the posters' comments (and Blondie's referencing specific Society publications), I cannot add much to this discussion. I do recall, however, that a recent copy of the public The Watchtower stated that God would execute only the incorrigibly wicked at Armageddon. Whereas, strictly speaking, the Society declares unequivocally that 'only those (baptizeds JWs, their family-merit-protected offspring, etc.) in association with the anointed remnant have any scriptural hope of survival.'

  My initial point was how would Jehovah's official spokesman - the faithful and discreet slave - deal in writing with the possibility of geological or astronomical phenomena catastrophically impacting the earth and civilization.

  The Society takes a stand on many an issue, often with little or no factual basis.

  Thanks for your questions ... no problema!

  Compound Complex
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  compound complex

  Forgot to mention:

  I do recall the WT teaching that Jehovah would use celestial and terrestrial forces during Armageddon. But that is specifically in regard to his execution of those 'not obeying the word of Jesus.' Millions of people - Witnesses and non-witnesses - could be killed in an EVENT distinct and separate from a divinely-directed apocalypse.

  Of course, all this speculation is based on the reality or unreality of JW dogma. I'll repeat Will Durant's quotation:

  Civilization exists by geological consent, subject to change without notice.

  Do the laws of probability vis-a-vis an E.L.E. hold absolute sway over the doctrine of discriminate salvation of Jehovah's Witnesses?

  Will anyone be around in future to record and analyze what finally happens?

  CC
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  inkling

  Well, here is what they have to say about one of the LAST big extinction events:

  “PALAEONTOLOGY is the study of fossils, and fossils are the remains of life from past ages.” But as one paleontologist said, it is “a highly speculative and opinionated science.” This is evident regarding dinosaurs. Listing some speculations as to what happened to them, Princeton scientist G. L. Jepson stated:
  
  “Authors with varying competence have suggested that dinosaurs disappeared because the climate deteriorated . . . or that the diet did. . . . Other writers have put the blame on disease, parasites, . . . changes in the pressure or composition of the atmosphere, poison gases, volcanic dust, excessive oxygen from plants, meteorites, comets, gene pool drainage by little mammalian egg-eaters, . . . cosmic radiation, shift of Earth’s rotational poles, floods, continental drift, . . . drainage of swamp and lake environments, sunspots.”—The Riddle of the Dinosaur.
  
  It is apparent from such speculations that scientists are not able, with any certainty, to answer the question: What happened to the dinosaurs?

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  University of Arizona scientist David Jablonski concludes that ‘for many plants and animals, extinction was abrupt and somehow special. Mass extinctions are not merely the cumulative effects of gradual dyings. Something unusual happened.’

  Their arrival was also abrupt. Scientific American observes: “The sudden appearance of both suborders of the pterosaurs without any obvious antecedents is fairly typical of the fossil record.” That is also the case with dinosaurs. Their relatively sudden appearance and disappearance contradicts the commonly accepted view of slow evolution.

  ooooo, Something "unusual" happened!! Must have been GOD!!

  Some dinosaurs (and pterosaurs) may indeed have been created in the fifth era listed in Genesis, when the Bible says that God made “flying creatures” and “great sea monsters.” Perhaps other types of dinosaurs were created in the sixth epoch. The vast array of dinosaurs with their huge appetites would have been appropriate considering the abundant vegetation that evidently existed in their time.—Genesis 1:20-24.
  
  When the dinosaurs had fulfilled their purpose, God ended their life. But the Bible is silent on how he did that or when. We can be sure that dinosaurs were created by Jehovah for a purpose, even if we do not fully understand that purpose at this time. They were no mistake, no product of evolution. That they suddenly appear in the fossil record unconnected to any fossil ancestors, and also disappear without leaving connecting fossil links, is evidence against the view that such animals gradually evolved over millions of years of time. Thus, the fossil record does not support the evolution theory. Instead, it harmonizes with the Bible’s view of creative acts of God.

  [inkling]
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  Witness 007

  No!......except for the Dinosaurs where Jehovah may have used a meteor to destroy them before creating Adam.....