"NO EVIDENCE" for God, and creation? Maybe there is . .

by hooberus 64 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • hamilcarr

    Ockham's razor may help.

  • MissingLink

    "Look around you, the incredibly complex material world is evidence."

    YES, LOOK at it! Really. The universe is a mess. It makes sense when you think it's the result of a great explosion. Still looks that way. Our galaxy is about to collide with another one. Wouldn't a creator have put these galaxies on courses so they didn't crash into each other like they do all of the time. IF earth survives that, then we got to deal with our sun burning out and consuming the earth. Chances are that life on this planet will end long before then by a large asteroid impact or disease if we don't kill ourselves off first. In the more short term - look at nature. What's great about it? EVERYTHING is "designed" for killing. Complicated doesn't mean designed. Crystals look complicated and designed, but it's just basic math behind it. The ocean waves and tides are beautiful. Just a big moon with gravity pulling on us. It's all not that complicated with a little bit-o book learnin. Is all the chaos in nature and the universe evidence of god? If so - he's one sick bastard.

  • FlyingHighNow
    Is all the chaos in nature and the universe evidence of god? If so - he's one sick bastard.

    Have you read about the Gnostic belief that the creator of our material universe was Jehovah, an under god? It's just an interesting idea to why things are imperfect.

  • Homerovah the Almighty
    Homerovah the Almighty

    Weren't all gods created out of human ignorance of the world we live and the universe that surrounds us, even Jehovah , there is definite evidence that they did.

    When climatic events occurred thousands of years ago, such as earthquakes, hurricanes, floods what explanation did primitive man have to explain those events..... answer the gods

    To this day the fight between what is the real god , the only god , the best god continues

    Maybe it would be better for mankind to leave the gods alone now and live with the knowledge we have now,and perhaps make humanity the only god .

  • stillajwexelder

    The Church of England weighed into the debate yesterday when a Church House spokesman admitted that the treatment of Darwin's theory of evolution by Victorian clerics was wrong. He said that science and religions were “perfectly compatible” and attacked creationism as a strand of Christianity that created a false impression of the Church as a whole. The Rev Dr Malcolm Brown, one of the inspirations for the website, said: “We felt there would be public interest, particularly because of the rise of creationism in the US. “Christian attitudes don't have to be either a complete swallowing of Darwin and everything that has been done in his name, on the one hand, and, on the other, the complete rejection of scientific method with a literal interpretation of the Bible. “A culture that doesn't have a great deal of historic understanding of the Christian faith can easily characterise all Christians as being like the most noisy ones.” A church spokesman added: “Creationism should not be taught as a scientifically based theory but could be included in discussion of the development of scientific ideas down the ages or in RE.” Rasmandala Das, of the Oxford Centre for Hindu Studies, said that the Hindu approach was to teach all different views of the creation across the curriculum. Members of the humanist movement dismissed creationism as “simply wrong” but agreed that religious believers must be engaged by science teachers rather than ignored.

  • FlyingHighNow
    Maybe it would be better for mankind to leave the gods alone now and live with the knowledge we have now,and perhaps make humanity the only god .

    Humankind has the cumulative knowledge of the ages at its disposal. It is too divided and at odds with itself to agree to use this knowledge completely for beneficial purposes. Human beings cannot be gods because they cannot prevent death or remedy once it has happened. We can be what we are: people.

  • moshe

    99% of all life that ever existed on the earth is now extinct- uh, what are the odds that Homo Sapiens will also be added to that list at some point in the future? It sure doesn't matter to Neanderthal man now, if God is his creator or if he just evolved and was replaced by modern humans.

  • Satanus

    Actually, we have very little knowledge. We have barely scratched the surface of knowledge. Superstitions have only mostly dissapeared. Only a few hundred yrs ago did we come to know about north america. Only a few decades ago did we learn about dna. Just over a hundred yrs ago about evolution, as a scientific study. Germs, just a few decades ago. We know so little about the natures of the vast world of animals. Psychiatry is very crude. I could go on and on.


  • Homerovah the Almighty
    Homerovah the Almighty

    Its important to realize we've just recently started putting forth the notion we may be very well living alone without gods or spirits

    Informational science of biological evolution is just starting to spread around the globe and more information is being released quickly,

    What I meant in my comment that it might be beneficial for mankind to perceive himself as a god, and to apply gathered knowledge and use are intelligence

    to resolve are ever present problems, instead waiting on those omnipresent gods to fix what needs to be fixed..

  • LisaAnn

    FHN said:

    You are making me smile on this relaxed, almost magical, rainy Sunday afternoon.

    LOL- every time I read your comments on this thread I hear a veiled HALish voice! Must be the rain.

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