I have a tenancy to agree with the last two posters. Paul wasn't at all like the Christ. He has an agenda, and maybe Satan did win after all.
You guys have got to see this! Paul the heretic.
by dawg 24 Replies latest jw friends
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Leolaia
The Pseudo-Clementines were not written by Clement but were a third and fourth-century redaction of older second-century Jewish-Christian writings (and some younger writings) from the Ebionite branch of early Christianity (primarily from the East, probably from Syria). They are thus a valuable repository of otherwise lost literature of Torah-observant Christians whose traditions go back to James the Just and apostle Peter. This group was in considerable conflict with Paul in the first century, and with Pauline Christians in the latter first and the early second centuries.
One must be careful tho in handling this material to obtain information about the historical Peter; it does contain some valuable information but much of it also derives from later polemic debate between the two groups of Christians. The Kerygmata Petrou, for instance, probably does contain much of Peter's original teaching but the version contained in the Pseudo-Clementines probably has a later form than the version used by Clement of Alexandria; the original KP was probably composed in the early to mid-second century with traditions even older. The Epistula Petri, however, is clearly later and probably dates to the early third century; it is nonetheless a valuable testament to the anti-Pauline polemic in the Ebionite branch of Christianity. Other important early materials in the Pseudo-Clementines include the Itinerary of Peter, which probably has some historical merit in terms of Peter's ministry, and the Ascents of James, which is a second-century writing about James the Just as the leader of the Jerusalem Church, and his death which is implicitly blamed on Paul. In short, the Pseudo-Clementines are important witnesses to what the third-century heirs of Peter and James believed and taught, and may indirectly preserve some information about the historical James and Peter but which cannot be read simply as biographies of Peter and James. My opinion is that the historical Peter was probably intermediate between the views of Paul and James and was a sort of moderating influence between the two.
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dawg
What do you say to Leloina's post Burns the ships?
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BurnTheShips
What do you say to Leloina's post Burns the ships?
What do you want me to say? There was a Jewish Christian community that was Torah observant, and there was a Gentile community that was not. James the Just ministered to the former, Paul to the latter. The Jewish-Christians were wiped out as a community with the sacking of Jerusalem, James having been thrown off the walls and beaten to death with a fuller's club only a few years prior. Peter had primacy over the Church and Christians of both provenances and died in Rome, the particular church that he founded. At the same time there were heretical groups such as the Ebionites and the Marcionites. This is borne out in the oldest orthodox records. BTS
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dawg
"were heretical groups such as the Ebionites and the Marcionites". Heretical...LOL!