SOME OF YOU ARE SCARY

by beerose 40 Replies latest jw friends

  • nameless_one
    nameless_one

    Hi, beerose. I'm not sure I'm understanding your meaning, but I think you are expressing discomfort about the atheist views of others? (Please correct me if I'm wrong.)

    If you are experiencing turmoil from a recent or ongoing exit from the WTS, I can understand how you might perceive some atheistic views as upsetting. I'd suggest though, to concentrate on exploring and refining your OWN views of and relationship with God and/or religion in general. That is ultimately what matters for YOUR life.

    I am not an atheist by the way, nor have I ever been a JW. But one pervasive and destructive thing I have observed amongst many JWs is the "where else can I go" mindset (should more accurately be "to whom can I go" but I digress). My point is, I think many JWs, in various stages, tend to focus way too much energy on this whole notion of what others might do or think or believe, what is "wrong" with those actions/thoughts/beliefs, why they should be doing something else, on and on. You need to ask yourself, why is this an issue to you? The world is a diverse place, filled with many different beliefs. People who search, find their own path -- and I personally believe that myriad people can walk myriad paths in peace. The trouble arises when some decide their route is the only way and start throwing rocks at folks on different paths :-)

    Apologies if I've completely misunderstood your post. But if I haven't, my thoughts are that you should try to focus on sorting out what YOU believe and what's right for YOU, and not worry so much about others who have found or chosen a different way that might seem uncomfortable to you. There is much to be learned from the perspectives and beliefs of others, so long as you can respect and understand that there are many different ways, including but not limited to your own :-)

    ***Edited to add, I did not see your latest post before I submitted my own:

    That people think its ok to kill someone just to see what it feels like,for someone to suck the spirit out of a little kid,for raping and stealing from people and thinking this is ok you didn't hurt anyone,buy you saying we don't need forgiveness your saying these things are ok to do! your doing the same thing JW'S brainwashing me into believeing there is no God I can't believe that so I'll fade and not fart on your post anymore! but I won't be going back to the dubs hall thats for sure thank you though for helping me to see the lies! PEACE

    I am very confused now and should have gone with my gut that I was missing something major here I've no idea what you're referring to in the quote above, and no idea what else to say about any of this! I wish you good luck and peace all the same.

  • Hortensia
    Hortensia

    you're kind of scary yourself. Have you ever heard of live and let live?

  • Black Sheep
    Black Sheep

    The God that I was brought up with was a killer God that was going to kill me if I wasn't the good little boy that my father thought I should be, plus he was going to kill all of my friends.

    Losing faith in such a God has been a blessing.

    Cheers
    Chris

  • Hortensia
    Hortensia

    you're kind of scary yourself. Have you ever heard of live and let live? By the way, Nameless One, well said.

  • nameless_one
    nameless_one
    you're kind of scary yourself. Have you ever heard of live and let live?

    Short and sweet and right on, I wish I'd just said the same in my own post.

  • brinjen
    brinjen
    That people think its ok to kill someone just to see what it feels like,for someone to suck the spirit out of a little kid,for raping and stealing from people and thinking this is ok you didn't hurt anyone,buy you saying we don't need forgiveness your saying these things are ok to do!

    A crime is a crime, period. Some of us just don't need to have the fear of God to realise that.

  • Gopher
    Gopher
    That people think its ok to kill someone just to see what it feels like,for someone to suck the spirit out of a little kid,for raping and stealing from people and thinking this is ok you didn't hurt anyone,buy you saying we don't need forgiveness your saying these things are ok to do!

    You have jumped to a totally wrong conclusion here. If you want to be more in the spirit of a 'discussion board', perhaps you could try to draw people out as to what they meant by 'no sin' and 'need no forgiveness'. I guarantee they don't mean what you asserted above.

    your doing the same thing JW'S brainwashing me into believeing there is no God

    This is just a discussion board. It is not a cult, it is not an organization. If you choose not to be persuaded by certain arguments made here, to each their own, you're free to disagree, or post somewhere else, or not at all. No coercion here, no consequences, no threats. People are free to be religous or not here, their choice. Therefore, there's no brainwashing here.

  • Mysterious
    Mysterious

    Don't think you really offended...we are a chill bunch.

  • whitman
    whitman

    Hi Bee Rose - I haven't had the chance to say hello to you yet, I've not been around for a few days so I missed your first post. So...hello.

    There is a lot of emotion involved with this forum, but I don't think I would go so far as to say that it is evidence of hatred.

    From the tragic story of your background (I went back to check your post) it is clear that you have been hurt terribly, and no doubt you too feel a lot of emotion when discussing these issues.

    I am sure no one here will be offended by your comment. We all have our moments, don't we?

    All we can do here is respect each other - which is a two way street - and suspend judgement until we are sure we have all of the information. In this way we can all learn, grow and ... well, .... live happy and fulfilled lives*.

    I do hope you are able to stick around and gradually soak up the ambience of this forum. All the best.

    * - this is not a guarantee. This message does not come with a warranty. It does come with hugs if you ask nicely.

  • gloobster
    gloobster
    sorry I wasn't tring to judge anyone,I just feel a lot of hate coming out of some of the post

    I feel that most of the hate in this post is coming out of you. Were you wronged by an atheist? Someone obviously has made you think that atheists are immoral rapists and murders, that we like to kill people "just to see what it feels like". I imagine an equal percentage, if not more, of those who call themselves Christians have done the same. Throughout human history, most of the worst atrocities have been committed in the name of religion, although these are admittedly perversions of these religions. They are usually small, fundamentalist groups.

    This by no means applies to all Christians, but I have always felt that a big tenet of many Christian sects, certainly JW's, is that human beings are unable to police themselves, unable to control the impulsive animal instincts that we all have, and thus need to live in fear of God. In other words, if one has no fear of punishment, one has no control over their actions. To me, not performing bad actions out of fear, rather than not performing them out of a compassion for humanity or knowledge of right or wrong, is just as bad as actually performing them. If you don't steal because you think you will get caught, rather than because you don't want to take something you don't own from your fellow man, does that make you less of a thief?

    Most of the atheists I have met have been highly intelligent, highly educated, highly compassionate and highly moral people. Maybe you were just angry at something else, something tweaked you off, you had a bad day, I don't know, but I feel very judged by that post. I am an atheist now, and I am proud to say I don't need to live in fear of punishment, from above or from worldly authorities, to keep me in line. I do what I know is right and don't do what I know is wrong.

    Please think before you spout hateful generalizations at groups of people.

    That said, you really didn't offend me. But please, please, please, be tolerant of other people's beliefs or lack thereof. If there is one thing you should have learned from being a JW, it is that.

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