when i was a pio skool work out how many "worldly" people i would have to talk to. I think it was in its thousands and that was just the uk! Remember being lectured on "being blood guilty" for nt ringing the bell loud enough etc etc. Worth considering how the "nicer" maps get done more. Somes peep may as u say never get a witness. But those on fave maps get barraged, in my old cong when it was going strong. All the easy maps would be done every2 weeks while the out of the way maps where a logistic nightmaire. The poor householders hated us! I nevdr undastand the hour counting ? Seems counter productive. Oh plus i reckon u can knock 25% of time for general loitering/ "pioneer walk/ upbuiling convo on the street corners that jw's get up,
Statistical evidence against WTS fulfillment of Mat24:14. Simple argument.
by Awakened at Gilead 49 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
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Awakened at Gilead
S4,
Once you look back and take an objective look, you can see how most of their arguments are not based on logic or have sound evidence. I think that these calculations are quite damning.
Jakmarx, yes its true, the closer teritories get covered much more frequently than those farthest away... the coverage of territory is not even.
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OUTLAW
Lance..I think your over generous..90% of service time is spent..Sitting in a car..Walking up driveways,as slowly as possible..Knocking on doors with no one home..Walking back down the driveway as slowly as possible..Chatting in the car..Going for coffee..Knocking on a few more doors with no one home..Knocking on a door and no ones interested..And..Rounding out your hours,for the best possible result.....LOL!!............
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alanv
One other figure you can put in the equation is the fact that most witnesses work in pairs so you can half the number of hours that your working out as come up with. It's amazing that when you break it down as we have done the witnesses actually spend very very little time speaking to people.
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blondie
millions of survivors = the nearly 7 million jws and "the great crowd" only jws. That is why the WTS feels they can say how many survivors.
*** w89 9/1 p. 19 par. 7 Remaining Organized for Survival Into the Millennium ***Only Jehovah’s Witnesses, those of the anointed remnant and the "great crowd," as a united organization under the protection of the Supreme Organizer, have any Scriptural hope of surviving the impending end of this doomed system dominated by Satan the Devil. (Revelation 7:9-17; 2 Corinthians 4:4) They will make up the "flesh" that Jesus Christ said would be saved through the worst tribulation of all human history.
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Burger Time
Hey man I had a similar thing happen to me! Me and my ex went to a Wal-Mart and saw a women with Watchtowers standing outside stopping people coming back. Well my ex being a trouble maker forced us to walk past her, I even smiled! She didn't even blink just kept a stern face and let me walk by...WTF?? Guess the holy spirit was with her.
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JosephMalik
You know that it is much simpler than this to answer the question. The WT does not know what the Good News is so how can they preach it? No matter how many hours they spend trying to reach people their so called Good News is mostly lies. So how does this save anyone? Many others that have left them do much better. I could offer a list but why bother. You all know where the problems are by now.
Joseph
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Rapunzel
If you read the Witnesses' annual "Yearbook" in which they list the various nations in which they conduct their "ministry," you'll notice about fifteen nations and territories that are NOT listed [Afghanistan and North Korea come readily to my mind}.
Technically, the Witnesses do make the generic, catch-all category of "other," which theoretically includes those nations into which the Witnesses are forbidden to even enter. But it is highly doubtful indeed that the Witnesses have ever made, or will ever be able to make, any significant progress in these nations. The political/cultural forces blocking them are far too strong.
I would suppose that people living in such nations will have to get an "Escape-from-Amageddon, Collect-$200 card" whenever the end of the world comes. Who knows? Maybe in their respective nations, with $200, they might even be able to buy a gallon or two of gasoline.
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jakmarx
AlanV. Good point on the pairs, its glareingly overlooked. Yet it halfs the amount completley, Its fair to argue that people do sometimes go out alone. But this is like the last resort.. in the years of my ministry i only worked no more than 5 hours by myself. Its just plain deppressing. It really does highlight a massive gap in the amount of people that will die at armageddon.. without a witness. I mean unless they start mass media adverts that is lol
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SnakesInTheTower
A at G...
interesting analysis... and as others said, you are certainly giving benefit of the doubt to your former "employer" . I can tell you that while I was a pioneer, I probably knocked off actual reported time because I felt bad about all the breaks we took, time we wasted. Even accounting for that, I guarantee that the 90 (later 70) hours I turned in each month was not actually talking to people. I can't begin to tell you how many times in a month I did early morning "witnessing" (aka laundromats, street work, gas stationa, etc) to get an easy 2 hours in the morning? I can also tell you, especially in the last 5 years of my career as a WTBTS Borgbot that I often drove so that I could control how much and where I got out...to minimize the actual number of minutes (not hours) of actual "face time" witnessing to a real live human. Great example as an elder, I know... lol
WTBTS has the most inefficient "Witnessing" operation on the face of the earth. "Fulfillment" my a$$.
seeker4:
I forget the exact figures I came up with, but it was obvious, and still is, that with China, N. Korea, India, Pakistan, and the rest of the Middle East, huge portions of Africa, Aisa and the Far East, the vast majority of the Earth's population has never talked with a JW, and likely has never heard of them.
agreed. Let me give you some stats for one of those lands you mentioned, then let me give you some "on the ground" realities. India. The 2006 SY report says that there 26,594 peak publishers witnessing 4,071,673 hours. Subtracting the number of hours the pioneers (1,286, presuming these are all regular pioneers at 840 hours/year) that means that about a quarter of the hours (1,080,240) were spent by 4.8% of the publishers in India. The remaining 25,308 R&F publishers spent the remaining 2,991,433 (about 118 hours or 9.8 hours month). There were nearly 1.1 billion (1,098,577,839) people living in India. So 1.1 billion people were witnessed to by 27,000 witnesses? Most of the witnesses are concentrated in the larger cities. Likely very little was happening in the rural areas.
Now..here is the "on the ground" report. For reasons I won't get into here, as a congregation secretary a couple years back, I had opportunity to correspond by letter and telephone to the branch office in Bangalore, India regarding a situation I was dealing with....... as well as talking to a couple of elders in a congregation in southern India. Despite the language difficulties, I could understand their English..not well..but enough. The brother I spoke to in the Service Department (a very small operation as you can imagine) told me they have a lot of difficulties with elders in individual congregations doing things "their own way", not the way Brooklyn directs. They have to make "allowances" for local customs (he did not go into detail what that entails). Because of the poverty in that country, bribery is a common problem in the congregation.....elders bribed to "look the other way" regarding JC issues is very common. To show you how small a network the JWs are in India, when I mentioned the name of the individual that I was inquiring about and their situation, the brother said..... "ah yes, I remember that situation well... ....it involved...{so and so} in {congregation}......let me look that up to be certain...." Since the brother did not know who I was specifically, he would only confirm or clarify facts I had. So despite being such a large country, the JWs are a miniscule religious group...and even the Wacktower has to "make allowances" for things going on locally....they are too spread out for COs and DOs to keep on top of...
A person I knew in that country told me how few people in her congregation (actually a "group" associated with a larger congregation) went out in the door-to-door ministry. This person was no exception. It is not safe for women to go in the ministry alone...and in smaller towns, still not acceptable socially for a woman to be walk around unescorted by a male family member. This sister was one of the rare women (and unmarried at that) in her town ("town being a relative term in India....a town of a quarter million) that actually owned and drove her own car. This sister was a medical professional in private practice (so much for Witnesses not going to university...LOL) making very good money (again, relative term...$1500/mo)..she was considered "well off" in her congo....she oftern worked 5-6 days a week..sometimes very long days...
With all of those issues...being a small religious minority, extreme poverty, corruption in the congregations, ...how much is really getting done in that country? Multiply that situation by the many other countries that are either "Third World" or still developing.... there is no real numerical growth going on..... and nothing that is going to sustain the Borg financially.
Contrast her situation with the thousands of other JWs that had to work 6 or 7 days a week...making less than $100/month...more often $25-30 month....how much time do you think they spent "Witnessing" in door-to-door, or at all? Answer: little to none...
Snakes ()
PS.....by the way A at G ....interesting interview that V produced with you .... I would love to compare notes with you one day... we have both had some similar experiences while still "in".
...OUTLAW