If the FDS was appointed in 33 C.E., then why did Jesus inspect in 1918?

by Olin Moyles Ghost 22 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Olin Moyles Ghost
    Olin Moyles Ghost

    First, some background: When I first began to have doubts about whether the JW religion was "the Truth," I performed quite a bit of research on the Faithful and Discreet Slave doctrine...in the Society's literature, of course. Like many of us, I had never really examined the doctrine. Well, needless to say (but I'll say it anyway), I found major flaws in the Society's interpretation of the parable of the faithful and discreet slave.

    While there are lots of flaws in the doctrine, let me identify one apparent contradiction in the Society's interpretation of this parable. First, three background "facts":

     1) Jesus appointed the anointed remnant to be the FDS in 33 C.E. (See God's Kingdom of 1,000 Years, p. 342, para. 23) 2) The FDS continued throughout the centuries after 33 C.E., "[a]pparently one generation of the 'slave' class fed the next succeeding generation thereof." (God's Kingdom of 1,000 Years, p. 344, para. 29) 3) Then, during the 1918/1919 time frame, Jesus inspected all those claiming to be Christian and picked the Bible Students. (See WT 3/15/1990, p. 14, para. 21) 
    So, if succeeding generations of the FDS fed each other from 33 C.E. down through the centuries, why did Jesus need to inspect all the other religions? Wouldn't he just inspect the slave that he appointed back in 33 C.E., rather than all these counterfeit, wanna-be faithful and discreet slaves? That seems more in line with the account in Matthew.

    Caveat: Personally, I don't believe the FDS is a class. Rather, this is just a parable exhorting Christians to do good to others and stating that if we do good to others, then Jesus will reward us. This parable provides no basis for providing a group of men with the ability to make rules and go beyond what is written (Matt. 15:9, 1 Cor. 4:6). Nonetheless, as someone who is still a JW and has family and friends in the religion, I find some benefit in examining JW doctrine such as this.
  • Awakened at Gilead
    Awakened at Gilead

    OMG,

    The FDS was a big topic that caused me to have doubts also. My issue was how the FDS works.. if the ones who really do the work are the GBs not the anointed in general.

    In Gilead, Carey Barber gave a talk called, "The 1900 Year Old Faithful and Discrete Slave Class". I lloked forward to this talk, anticipating that it would clear up my misconceptions. In the end, it left me feeling unsatisified (about as unsatisfied as Onan's sister-in-law-wife), since it all seemed to contrived.

    You make a good point as to why the 1918 test had to occur. The WTS parallels it with the parable of the wheat and the weeds.. since the distinctyion would not be clear until the harvest (supposedly since 1914).

    So for me the big issue remains 1914. If the end didn't begin in 1914, then the FDS wasn't appointed in 1919, and the rest is a load of BS.

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  • Olin Moyles Ghost
    Olin Moyles Ghost

    AAG,

    You're right about the way the FDS works. I am still amazed that this self-serving and contrived doctrine, cobbled together from a few misapplied and mismatched scriptures, had me fooled for so long. When you take a step back, it seems pretty clear that the FDS doctrine is a means to an end. That is, it's simply a way to give some kind of scriptural underpinning to the power asserted by a man or group of men (the GB).

    I've heard the wheat and weeds tie-in. Again, it's another example of how the Society's self-serving applications of Jesus' parables fall apart when examined closely. So, from the end of the 1st Century down to Russell's time, there were two mutually exclusive conditions: (1) the FDS was providing the right food at the right time, but (2) they were indistinguishable from weed-like false Christians (so indistinguishable that Jesus can't even tell them apart?).

    As to 1914, I've had some discussions with my wife about this. She's not unreasonable, but she is definitely more "in" than I am. She concedes that 1914 may not be the right date, but asks "what does that change?" We've discussed the 1919 appointment of the FDS, and how if 1914 was wrong, then the FDS wasn't appointed in 1919. Her reply is that it could have happened some other year. In other words, she's not too hung up on dates. But she realizes the problems with the org., and the false prophecies, etc.

    The things that keep her hanging on are: (1) JWs don't go to war; (2) JWs avoid celebrations/traditions with pagan origins; and (3) JWs are doing the preaching work. When I discuss whether you need an organization, #3 is what keeps her hanging on. She says that if the preaching work has to be done, you need an organization to do it, and it doesn't make sense to have lots of fragmented individuals going off teaching a variety of doctrines. Thus, you need some kind of unified organization. My response is that this is a human viewpoint. If Jesus wants to get a work done, he can see that it's done to his satisfaction without needing some American corporation to oversee it--especially an American corporation with a 130-year history of falsely prophesying in his name, etc.

    Anyway, it looks like I hijacked my own thread...

  • garybuss
    garybuss

    You wrote: "Wouldn't he just inspect the slave that he appointed back in 33 C.E., rather than all these counterfeit, wanna-be faithful and discreet slaves?"

    Does this mean you don't belive that the seven trumpets of Revelation were the seven Jehovah's Witness District assemblies from 1922 to 1928, starting with Cedar Point, Ohio and ending with Detroit, Michigan?

    It's required that all Jehovah's Witnesses believe the trumpet story but it's not required of them that they be able to explain how it could actually be a fact. Hmmmmm, wonder why . . .


  • AuldSoul
    AuldSoul

    The part that kills me is they say Jehovah was using C.T. Russell in a special way as early as 1874. So Jesus didn't know who Jehovah was using and didn't know who his brothers were.

    About needing an organization to do the preaching: If these did not speak the very stones would cry out. Which visible earthly organization would the stones have to be attached to in order to do the preaching work?

  • oompa
    oompa
    GaryB: Does this mean you don't belive that the seven trumpets of Revelation were the seven Jehovah's Witness District assemblies from 1922 to 1928, starting with Cedar Point, Ohio and ending with Detroit, Michigan?

    How specific was this? Is it in the Climax Book, or back in Babylon bk? Still taught?..........oompa

  • GermanXJW
    GermanXJW

    It is because in 1918 many Bible Students split from the WTS. So, they had to invent an event that Jesus decided the WTS is the true religion and not the other Bible Students as well.

  • Awakened at Gilead
    Awakened at Gilead
    How specific was this? Is it in the Climax Book, or back in Babylon bk? Still taught?..........oompa

    Man, I can tell you've been a bad little JW and you haven't gone to your BkStudy in a while... But yes, it is still the official teaching of the WTBTS. Them trumpet blasts have all been fulfilled, like: "Millions now living will never die" [email protected]

  • Quandry
    Quandry

    Does this mean you don't belive that the seven trumpets of Revelation were the seven Jehovah's Witness District assemblies from 1922 to 1928, starting with Cedar Point, Ohio and ending with Detroit, Michigan?

    It's required that all Jehovah's Witnesses believe the trumpet story but it's not required of them that they be able to explain how it could actually be a fact. Hmmmmm, wonder why . . . Once again, Gary, this is hilarious and thought provoking at the same time.

    I always wondered how a few hundred people meeting at an amusement park could cause "blasts" that were affecting the entire world........ I was glad I did not have to explain it to anyone.....would have sounded ludicrous.

  • oompa
    oompa
    How specific was this? Is it in the Climax Book, or back in Babylon bk? Still taught?..........oompa
    Man, I can tell you've been a bad little JW and you haven't gone to your BkStudy in a while... But yes, it is still the official teaching of the WTBTS. Them trumpet blasts have all been fulfilled, like: "Millions now living will never die" [email protected]

    Ha, I have just about always been a bad jw.......and no I have not been in over a year to CLIMAX , except in bed (I like outdoors). But what about the Climax BOOK? BTW, I may get to the next NCY meetup at that Spanish place in June since I have family interest in the area now.....I would so wish for some of my immediate family to come...but very doubtful....I will keep you posted if I can get the guts.........................oompa

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