Pathological President defends Iraq War

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    Bush Defends Iraq War in Speech By STEVEN LEE MYERS Published: March 20, 2008

    WASHINGTON — President Bush used the fifth anniversary of the start of the war in Iraq on Wednesday to make the case for persevering in a conflict that could have many more anniversaries. Democrats accused him of lacking a strategy to win and withdraw.

    Mr. Bush, speaking before members of the armed forces and defense officials at the Pentagon, said in his frankest acknowledgment yet that the costs of the war, in lives and money, had been higher and longer lasting than he had anticipated.

    But he remained unwavering in his insistence that the invasion of Iraq, which began in March 2003, had made the world better and the United States safer.

    "Five years into this battle, there is an understandable debate over whether the war was worth fighting, whether the fight is worth winning, and whether we can win it," he said. "The answers are clear to me. Removing Saddam Hussein from power was the right decision, and this is a fight that America can and must win."

    The anniversary starkly illustrated the divide between Mr. Bush and Democrats, who control Congress — and between the Republican presidential candidate, Senator John McCain of Arizona, and the two senators seeking the Democratic nomination, Barack Obama and Hillary Rodham Clinton .

    At a community college in Fayetteville, a military town in North Carolina, Mr. Obama noted that the war in Iraq had now lasted longer than the Civil War, World War I and World War II, though it has been fought on a scale far below those conflicts.

    "Where are we for all of this sacrifice?" he said. "We are less safe and less able to shape events abroad. We are divided at home, and our alliances around the world have been strained."

    Mrs. Clinton, appearing at an American Legion post in Huntington, W.Va., argued for a cautious withdrawal of troops that would begin within 60 days of her taking office. "Every one of you who has served knows with drawing troops can be as dangerous as inserting them," she said.

    By contrast, Mr. McCain, who visited Iraq this week, issued a statement saying that the United States and its allies in Iraq stood "on the precipice of winning a major victory against radical Islamic extremism."

    The anniversary, as it has in the past, galvanized the war's critics and, to a lesser degree, its supporters. Mr. Bush gave his speech as sporadic, relatively small but raucous protests erupted in Washington and in other cities, leading to dozens of arrests.

    "How much longer?" read a banner along the president's route to the Pentagon across the Potomac.

    Iraq has receded somewhat as an issue in the campaign. And the scale and fury of antiwar protests appeared to have diminished from just a year ago, before Mr. Bush ordered "a surge" of still more American troops to Iraq that has resulted in a decline in overall violence there.

    Still, the war stirs intense emotions on both sides. The House speaker, Nancy Pelosi , said the war had damaged the country's reputation, strained its military and now threatened its economy.

    "With the war in Iraq entering its sixth year," she said in a statement, "Americans are rightly concerned about how much longer our nation must continue to sacrifice our security for the sake of an Iraqi government that is unwilling or unable to secure its own future."

    Mr. Obama criticized his rivals for their initial votes for the war. "Here is the stark reality," he said. "There is a security gap in this country — a gap between the rhetoric of those who claim to be tough on national security, and the reality of growing insecurity caused by their decisions."

    He also seized on a gaffe Mr. McCain made Tuesday in Amman, Jordan, when he confused the main sects of Islam and the support for each from Al Qaeda , a Sunni dominated group, and Iran, a majority Shiite nation. Mr. McCain corrected his statement after Senator Joseph I. Lieberman , who is traveling with him in the region, whispered in his ear.

    "Maybe that is why he completely fails to understand that the war in Iraq has done more to embolden America's enemies than any strategic choice that we have made in decades," Mr. Obama said.

    He said that as commander in chief he would begin withdrawing a brigade or two each month starting immediately. His plan, he said, would reduce the American force to only the number required to secure the American Embassy and maintain a counterterrorist force.

    Even that, he acknowledged, would take until 2010.

    The number of troops in Iraq is at the center of the administration's attention. The top American commander there, Gen. David H. Petraeus , is scheduled to appear before Congress in April to present his recommendations on what to do after a withdrawal of the 30,000 troops ordered to Iraq by Mr. Bush last year.

    Those troops brought the total to a peak of more than 160,000; by summer, roughly 140,000 are expected to remain. Military and administration officials have indicated that there should be a pause in any further reductions to see if security in Baghdad and other cities deteriorates.

    One administration official said Wednesday that the outstanding question was how long a pause would last.

    Mr. Bush said he had made no decision but indicated that he would be reluctant to hasten withdrawals. "Any further drawdown will be based on conditions on the ground and the recommendations of our commanders," he said, "and they must not jeopardize the hard-fought gains our troops and civilians have made over the past year."

    Mr. Bush announced the war's start from the Oval Office on the night of March 19, 2003, declaring that the United States would "not live at the mercy of an outlaw regime that threatens the peace with weapons of mass murder." (It later became clear that those weapons did not exist.)

    His remarks each March 19 since have paralleled the ups and downs of the war.

    In 2004, he appeared in the East Room of the White House with dozens of foreign diplomats and cast the war as "the inescapable calling of our generation." By 2006, with the insurgency worsening along with ethnic and sectarian violence, he spoke for two minutes on the South Lawn and spent most of that time talking of soldiers' sacrifices. "It's a time to reflect," he said.

    Mr. Bush's speech will be his last address as president on the anniversary, and he reflected at length on the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, the rise of the insurgency, the lurch toward civil war, and the decision to send more troops. The latter he declared a success, saying that it led the way to the decision by many Sunni Arabs to switch allegiances and join American forces against extremists that American officials say are foreign led. He called that the "the first large-scale Arab uprising against Osama bin Laden ."

    "The challenge in the period ahead is to consolidate the gains we have made and seal the extremists' defeat," he added.

    Vice President Dick Cheney , who declared in June 2005 that the insurgency was in "its last throes," also acknowledged that the war had "lasted longer than I would have anticipated," but he, too, defended the effort and brushed aside antiwar sentiment.

    When told in an interview with ABC News that two-thirds of Americans said the war was not worth fighting, Mr. Cheney replied, "So?" When pressed, he added, "I think you cannot be blown off course by the fluctuations in the public opinion polls."

    Jeff Zeleny contributed reporting from Fayetteville, N.C., and Patrick D. Healy from Huntington, W.Va.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/20/world/middleeast/20prexy.html?hp

    Of all those running for the Presidency, who was most vocal in their opposition to this debacle?

  • sir82
    sir82
    the United States and its allies in Iraq stood "on the precipice of winning a major victory against radical Islamic extremism"

    Now why does that sound so familiar....let me see....oh yeah:

    "Very soon now, Armageddon will start..."

    "The new system is just around the corner..."

    "The time left is reduced...."

  • Carmel
    Carmel

    If the goal of the war in Iraq was to win over "radical Islam" then armed conflict is not the appropriate strategy. It is a "spiritual" battle for the hearts and minds of people, which cannot be obtained by fear, submission or containment. Just like conversion by coersion is not a true conversion. But then, I didn't know that this was the justification for killing nearly a million Iraqis, forcing nearly 2.5 million out as refugees, killing 4,000 soldiers and wounding 70,000 more at the cost of $3TRILLION was based on fighting a war on radical Islam. Oh what a tangled web we weave... carmel

  • choosing life
    choosing life

    Pathological is an understatement in this case. What is going to happen when the US government quits paying the Sunni militias and at the same time propping up the Shiite govenment? I don't think 100 years is long enough to bring reconciliation in Iraq, as McCain wants.

    In the mean time, the economy is failing in the US and the dollar is becoming valueless.

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    ninja

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  • zeroday
    zeroday
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  • ninja
    ninja

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  • DanTheMan
    DanTheMan

    killing 4,000 soldiers and wounding 70,000 more at the cost of $3TRILLION

    Not to mention all the Iraqis killed and maimed.

    Shame on us as a nation for ever putting this monkey and his his organ grinders Cheney and Rove into office. Even if he didn't win the popular vote, the fact that he got a single vote in 2004 still boggles my mine.

  • zeroday
    zeroday
    Not to mention all the Iraqis killed and maimed.

    You're right I was listening to Mike Malloy the other night and he says the innocent Iraqi civilians killed by the US troops is now 1 Million...

  • watson
    watson

    "Politics" is a better place for this presentation.

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