Christians do not read....Mark Twain "Mysterious Stranger"

by dawg 35 Replies latest jw friends

  • dawg
    dawg

    JeffT-if you think this thread is about IRS agents then you're missing the boat... good lord buddy, read it again and see if you can't see what I'm talking about.. its about human suffering in general, not my dealings with the IRS... its also about the fact that doing right, going up against things you know are wrong hardly ever pays, it usually costs....and where is the hand of God in our suffering-where's our reward for our good deeds? And to think I suffer less than many people I know or have known-and I have known men and women much better persons than i'll ever be suffer incidents that are hard to imagine.

    I remember a sister in our congregaiton, she was bedridden for years... finally did everyone a favor including herself and passed on. Her husband stayed with her for 20 years and was a really good man... I doubt he ever cheated on her. Why, if there is a god, would he chose this man and lady to suffer in such ways, and then allow people who do really bad things to prosper... the man had to live in squalar becasue of his wife's illness?

    This all sure looks like an uncaring God, or just chance... if its chance then that partailly proves evolution. With the luck I've had it seems hard to beleive its all chance, but look at the example above.... please, and I mean this as nice as I can say it, please don't insult our intelligence with comments like the one you made, this is a serious question and requires serious thought.

  • Gopher
    Gopher

    I really enjoy Mark Twain. What a realist, and a great sense of humor to boot.

    Sorry about your financial woes. Life does get better, the rollercoaster heads back up at some point even though you don't see it yet. God has nothing to do with any of these things. If he exists, he's probably off on another project in some unnamed universe.

    I see the Navy might not shoot down the stray satellite tonight due to weather conditions. It flies over the Twin Cities every night after sunset. I'm waiting for it to crack up right over the Mississippi River.

  • dawg
    dawg

    Jourenyon...thanks so much for your kind thoughts, they make me feel better.. they really do...

    And, I see you've read Twain... nice quotes from "Mysterious Stranger"... I appreciate that... but on creating your own good reality... I think that's only partially true. I didn't ask for the reality of being born into the JW bullshit faith... I didn't ask that my family be taken from me... I didn't ask for my lady to cheat on me... there are actions that happen in our lives that we have no imput on... and my life's not been all that bad really.

    Look a the the guy I mentioned above, and the parapalegic in the first post... they didn't want this reality.. yet here it is.. doesn't that scream lottery? Its a damn lottery, and I'm plagerizing here but some scholar called it the natural lottery.. I'm sure you can see, and probably have already thought of this a long time ago, but where is God if he cares... why doesn't he help those stuck in this lottery game?

  • dawg
    dawg

    Sorry I missed you post Gopher, maybe I'll get lucky and the satalite will fall on IRS headquarters and blow up their information base... all will be lost... they'll have forgotten me.

    Oh, and by the way... I'm not sure I even owe these bastards the money...Its a milage writeoff and everyone gets to write it off.. yet they're saying I can't...WTF? And they'll hear no differerent no matter what reciepts I give them.

  • heathen
    heathen

    I agree that "christians" saying paraplegics can walk if they just confess in jesus is pretty stupid. The j-dubs would offer him the chance to walk after the big A, which is soooooooooooo close . Of course the IRS will roast in hell at that time . I might suggest if you do find a church you can tolerate you may find the love of your life , that's about all they are good for is meeting people. My life is no bed of roses either. I'm just a simple man in a complex world ,I know what you are saying about God , I still believe in God but can't stand religion, most are about feeling good for an hour and listening to pulpit prostitutes demanding money .

  • Sad emo
    Sad emo
    So, lets give a rundown of my life so far... no family, no loved ones, a life totally devoid of love sans my friends who I'm so thankful for. That's the biggest disappointment the fact that my life is void of love and being broke isn't going to help me with that situation... that means I'm bankrupt mentally, and physically, I'm in a big black hole and there seems no way out... But that isn't what gets me.... realtively speaking, I'm not doing as bad as many I know on this forum, and many I know in my personal life... what gives? Are we supposed to be here just to suffer like hell and then we just die?

    I really do hope things pick up for you dawg, I hope you find love again - sometimes it turns up in unusual places but don't give up on it.

    they are fantacies that make this crap world and all the "slings and arrows" we endure not seem so damn bad.. it's like, this is tempoary so don't sweat it.

    I read this bit (actually this is the part that prompted me to reply) and realised this - regardless of belief in a higher power/deity/any crutch or not - it's still temporary! To the non-believer, this very existence is temporary, so still, why sweat it? It won't benefit you any, it'll just give you stomach ulcers, a heart attack, depression and grey hair! Whatever our beliefs I guess we have to learn to ride the waves rather than let 'em suck us under, see my final comment and you'll realise I'm not just spouting altruisms and niceness!

    So, I'll tell you this last story and be done... guy I know about, parapalegic... he says here in Athens, Christains come up to him and say he can walk if he believes in Jesus! He says he wants to kill them. Here is a man that has it worse than me, I bet he'd pay the IRS whatever they wanted if he could just walk...yet Jesus damn sure isn't going to help him and these idiots are just making him feel worse... sorry for the rant, things are tough as always today, tomorrow is a new day and things may get better.

    I agree with you on this, dawg, totally stupid for Christians to say things like that to him

    Like, if you were chosing anything to happen that would be the worse thing imaginable, it's be to be 45, be bankrupt, and to have the IRS on your ass!

    Well, let's just say I may not be far off that scenario myself.

  • nomoreguilt
    nomoreguilt

    dawg....I have found that in my PAST career as a jw, it didn't matter one bit whether I was serving god whole souled or not. At my peaks, I wasn't necessarily prospering. In my valleys I was excelling financially. When I was practicing gross sin, I was prospering. I'm talking over a period of over 40 years as a jw!

    Do you see what I was doing in actuallity? I was testing god to see if he truly did reward people for their faithfulness/punished them for their sins. Do you know what my final outlook on the whole scheme of things is? He doesn't give a rats backside what happens to mankind. Did he really create us?? I don't believe a god did this, let alone a loving god. He doesn't exist. Chance? A lottery? We may just fare better if this is the case. Just take our chances to an after life , if there is one to chance? It's not my biggest concern today.

    I live each day as it arrives. I have limited control over some things and great control over others.

    I've always enjoyed Twain and shall read the book you cited.

    Take care dawg......Just my thoughts today..

    NMG

  • dawg
    dawg

    Heathen-I'm with you about the churches.. I may just go to church and vivtimize the ladies...LOL...just kidding

    Sademo-You're right about the temporary nature of it all... might as well not focus on it too much.

    NMG-I feel exactly the same and came to the same conclusions.

  • nomoreguilt
    nomoreguilt

    Yup! Oh, and there will NOT be a test...Myths and legends cannot be proven...Show me physical PROOF!

    We are in control of our own destiny, make out of it what ever you can. Work hard proving to YOURSELF who you ARE...I am not here to impress anyone any longer. I work out my own deliverance, without the banjo of course.

    NMG

  • hillbilly
    hillbilly

    Charlie..they first 70 years or so are the worst.

    I think god is out there myself.. and I have had some personal reversals very similar to yours during my life. So unless God burns a bush in my back yard I wont worry about what he's up to very much... I do know that he has never given me more than I can bear... and everything I have been through taught me some kind of lesson

    Those other folks in your life??? They could ask the same questions you do. In my case, I figure my relatives and former associates are the big loosers.

    ~Hill

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