I'm converting again.

by reneeisorym 125 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • lovelylil
    lovelylil

    rennee,

    How are you?

    Good point you made.

    Some people think the only way God has to reach out to mankind is through the Bible. That is simply not true. If it is then what about those who have never seen a Bible? Or those who cannot read the Bible?

    Truth is, God had multitudes of followers way before any scriptures were put down in writing.

    The written word is in fact only one way God reaches out to us. He also reaches out by giving evidence of his existance in creation and by use of his people to proclaim his goodness. We are after all Christ's Ambassadors. Peace, Lilly

    Romans 1:20
    For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

    Romans 10:15
    As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news

    2 Corinthians 5:20
    We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    Thank you Lil!!

    That was lovely!

    Burn

  • serotonin_wraith
    serotonin_wraith

    Renee,

    I'll allow you to examine the differences between the evidence supporting the Bible vs. the evidence supporting the book of Mormon yourself. No need to even get into that conversation.

    Well myself, I don't see scientific data backing up either book. You think it backs the Bible up. Mormons think it backs the book of mormon up. Point is, none of us can agree so why not let the child decide on their own?

    To do that would be denying the means God has used to reach people.

    If you tell your child the tooth fairy is real or Santa is real, watch them believe you. See the power you have over their minds. And keep that in mind when you tell them Yahweh is real. If your god is all powerful, I can't see him using childhood indoctrination to spread his message myself. Anyone can do that, even other humans.

    I've been thinking and I can't seem to think of anything similar we shield from children to this extent. Things like violence and porn, sure. Children are too young. But general knowledge about the world, like what billions of people believe. I just don't see it. I see holding back knowledge deliberately as a very unfair thing to do. What's wrong with children learning about other religions? Are Christians afraid the child will see there are millions of people who believe in some strange things depending on where they live, and start to observe the same thing about what their parents believe? Can anyone imagine this conversation in a sane family? :

    Johnny, what colour is this?

    Purple.

    Well done! Now... what's this colour?

    Purple.

    That's right!

    Mummy, what colour is this?

    Well it's not purple, so that colour doesn't matter.

    But what is it?

    Johnny, as soon as you're old enough to use the internet you can look it all up.

    I see lots of colours around me.

    Yes, but those are not Mummy's favourite colour. They are colours other people prefer.

    Which is the bestest colour ever?

    Why Johnny, purple of course! All the other colours don't matter.

    Mummy, my friend said purple is a mixture of other colours.

    Well yes, but they were mixed together long ago and now everyone knows purple is a colour all on its own.

    I want to learn about the other colours.

    Yes Johnny, you will. I won't stop you going to a library and getting out a book on colours. But don't forget what the best colour is.

    Purple.

    That's right. My favourite colour is purple, what's your favourite colour Johnny?

    Purple.

    Ah I'm glad to hear that. Lots of people like purple. We are right and other people are wrong.

  • BurnTheShips
    BurnTheShips

    Sero,

    thats a gross oversimplification.

    Burn

  • Xena
    Xena

    It's heartwarming how concerned some people are for Renee's child. Thank God we have people like you to tell us how to raise children, it's a wonder we manage at all without you. Funny too how many years ago when you were a JW you would have ranted a different tune and been positive you were completely right then as well.

    I highly doubt Renee taking her child to chuch will scar it for life, but if it does then she will have to deal with it. As parents we make lots of different choices for our children and generally hope for the best, not all our choices are perfect nor are they ones other parents might make for their own children. That is how we all end up with different life experiences and perspectives, cool huh?

    I hope your enjoy your new church Renee. Personally I find the Luthern Church more to my taste, or at least the one I went to in Austin. It's amazing how different churches can be within the same religion, they tend to take on the personality of their pastor seems like.

  • serotonin_wraith
    serotonin_wraith
    thats a gross oversimplification

    I made it simple so that maybe people would understand.

    Xena,

    Hi. I was never a JW, my parents were. I would have said the same thing years ago. Give the child the freedom to explore what makes sense to them. I'm not talking about scarring a child for life, just giving it unbiased options. Let's not forget I'm not the one forcing anyone to believe anything or listen to anything I say... Renee is.

    You seem to take a dislike to my unforced views, which can easily be dismissed if nobody likes them. Yet at the same time you think it's fine for children to have their beliefs forced on them. You, and everyone else who doesn't want me to 'force my opinion' here is a hypocrite. I think I've said all I can on the matter now, which will be a relief to many I'm sure.

    You don't like to be told what to believe... do you? ;)

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