I'm Screwed Up, You're Screwed Up

by Farkel 156 Replies latest jw friends

  • larc
    larc

    Mommy,

    A daughter named Miranda. Hmmm. So, no one read you your Miranda rights. And a groan goes up from the crowd.

    Happy trails to you, until we meet again.

  • LoneWolf
    LoneWolf

    Thanks, Larc,

    I hope you continue to post on a regular basis.

    Well, I wouldn't have quit, but between the yellow jacket and hornet season keeping me busy, and a few other things happening, I just had too much on my plate at the same time.

    So that's what a "paradym shift" is! How come that generation always has to use fancy words to express simple concepts, eh? Tell me that.

    Perhaps, this is what happened to our friend Farkel. He has always spent considerable time helping others. Now, he expresses a desire for us and him to be more conciliatory with people. I, for one, will take him at his word

    Yeah, me too.

    Hey, mommy,

    You wouldn't have a daughter by the name of Pandora, would you?

    Lonewolf

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    Well, I'm not the least bit screwed up. I am absolutely normal in every way, and if everyone was just like me, then the world would be a lovely place to be.

    Now piss off you sods and leave me to my perfection.

    Ingerlishmon.

    Nostalgia isn't what it used to be....

  • Julie
    Julie

    Greetings Teejay,

    I respond here for one reason, we have drifted to a topic where you love to twist things and I will proceed with caution lest I enable you to cry that battlecry we all know so well "Racism!!".

    On to the Hood, the Ghetto, the Corner....whatever. I for one know there aren't a whole lot of educated people in these neighborhoods. Why do these few determined souls actually overcome the overwhelming odds of acquiring said education? To get the hell out of the hood!!!

    Here is a poem written by one "prisoner" of the hood, about age 18 when he wrote it:
    Silent screams and broken dreams,
    Addicts, junkies, pushers and fiends.
    Crowded spaces and sad faces,
    Never look back as the police chase us.
    Consumed slowly by the chaos,a victim of the streets,
    Hungry for knowledge but afraid to eat.
    A life of destruction, it seems no one cares,
    A manchild alone with burdens to bare.
    Trapped in a life of crime and hate,
    It seems the ghetto will be my fate.
    If I had just one wish it would surely be,
    That God wouldd send some angels to set me free.
    Free from the madness, of a city running wild,
    Free from the life of a ghetto child.

    I find this to be heart-breaking and true. It was in a book called The Corner, A year in the life of an inner-city neighborhood. It was writtne by David Simon and Edward Burns. I highly recommend it to anyone, especially right-wing conservatives. FYI this book really helped me to better understand my own Personal Experiences within these sorts of places. *gasp* Can you imagine a white woman with personal experience in the hood??? Almost enough to rock your world, eh? So it goes.

    Personally Todd, I think most folks are like the boy who wrote this poem. Victims of their own circumstances. I also know that a place with people who are not so educated and have little to no hope is a place where someone like you could be made to feel positively brilliant.

    It is clear to me by your essay that you knew little about Henry and his time. You learned a smattering and felt equipped to write that essay. I studied the period for years and after I finish my book on someone from the Real middle ages I will do a large work on Henry (who really didn't live in the "middle ages" as you claim). Reading your essay only confirms to me how little is commonly known about events that have helped to shape our world. I hope to make a contribution to change that. Essays like yours don't really help. It's not so much the minor mistakes you make it is more the major factors you leave out. Here's a hint on one: Why did the Pope deny Henry's request for divorce? There are plenty of others but I won't waste any more time here.

    My two cents--
    Julie

    P.S. Prisca, isn't your plate full enough? I don't think you really want to add me to your list honey.

  • waiting1
    waiting1

    Hey English,

    Well, I'm not the least bit screwed up. I am absolutely normal in every way, and if everyone was just like me, then the world would be a lovely place to be.

    A quote I always liked:

    You'll find no one more agreeable than I am as long as everyone agrees with me. Author unknown at the moment

    Hey Wendy

    My daughter, from 7 to 9 months during pregnancy, had the hiccups every night about 8 pm. And..........she's still a hiccup. That woman has more energy than I ever dreamed of having. Of course, she's 31, never had any children - could explain the excess of energy, eh?

    waiting

  • Prisca
    Prisca

    Julie honey,

    Whatever do you mean????

    [8>]

  • Rex B13
    Rex B13

    Does that 'sound' rather 'rude', Shelby 'Jesus' 'true' 'channel'?

    Gosh, I would be screwed up too if I used that '' all the time like you do. You blathered:

    >Now, back to your question, may I ask: "Atrocities" going on where? In my Lord's kingdom? Within Israel? Oh, you mean the REST of 'everywhere' HERE? Now why in the WORLD (which IS 'lying in the power of' its 'ruler'... 'the wicked one')... would my Father be concerned with those... perhaps like you...

    NIV Jude 1:6-7
    6 And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home--these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day.

    Those wicked angels do not threaten God's sovereignty, not does Satan, who in the book of Job must ask God's permission to work on Job. Satan also had to ask Jesus' permission to sift Peter on the night of our Lord's arrest. God is very much in control either directly or through permission. A (alleged) prophet like you should know this.

    NIV Romans 3:22-24
    22 This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe. There is no difference,
    23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
    24 and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

    NIV Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

    NIV Romans 10:9-11
    9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
    10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
    11 As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame."

    NIV John 3:15-17
    15 that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.
    16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
    17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

    This shows just how much love God has for all of mankind. Who are you (or me) to judge anyone? Only god can judge the heart and we are viewing only the rough surface that is yet coal but may some day be a diamond.

    >who do not even believe He exists, or if so, believes Him evil? What OBLIGATION does He have toward such ones? Why would He be concerned with those who are not of His Household, those NOT in a covenant with Him? Do YOU go around taking care of everyone else's children? Are you OBLIGATED to?

    Your own words condemn you. Just as mine have done to me when speaking out in anger toward those whom we are to lead to Christ.

    >My Father takes care of His Household... and His children... dear Julie... just a He covenanted to do. He did NOT, however, covenant to take care of those who are LOVING this world... and the things in it.

    The Law Covenant is fullfilled in Christ HE died for all of the sins of the world. Israel was to be the 'light of the world', but failed. Those who belong to Christ are in the world yet because God desires all to be saved.

    >Surely, you know that. Those who do not profess to BE His children... are understandably left to the 'designs'... and WORLD... of THEIR 'father'. Surely, you can understand that, yes?

    41 "Then he will say to those on his left, `Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
    42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,
    43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'
    44 "They also will answer, `Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'
    45 "He will reply, `I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
    46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

    Does that make you pause just a little, Shelby?

    8 He replied: "Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, `I am he,' and, `The time is near.' Do not follow them.

    Does that sound just a little like some self-proclaimed prophets?

    >Just like YOU don't run around getting in YOUR neighbor's business and telling them how to run THEIR household, but rather, just try to mind your OWN business and handle your OWN household... so, too, does my Father. Can you then judge Him... or obligated Him... as any different from yourself? I think not, Jules, dear. And if you can't see the TRUTH in that, well, perhaps that's because when you read the Bible, you picked and choosed just what it is you wanted to understand. Which is what most folks do, so don't 'sweat it' if you did.

    What amazing arrogance.

    quote:
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    Hope all is well in spite of the delusions.
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    >Such a NICE girl. From out of whose mouth comes blessing... AND cursing... all at one time. Which one, though, is 'truth', Jules?

    And you do know better, right Shelby? Do not judge, lest you be judged.

    >Peace.A slave of Christ,

    SJ

    Empty words?
    Rex

  • teejay
    teejay

    What up, Julie?

    I respond here for one reason, we have drifted to a topic where you love to twist things and I will proceed with caution lest I enable you to cry that battlecry we all know so well "Racism!!".

    Never uttered the word. Too easy. Just like I never use "hypocrite" around here. Has little meaning. I just noticed you mentioned the hood and wondered what you meant. Asked you what you meant about "the dregs," too, but you forgot to explain. No problem. Just so you know, I allow the words that people themselves use to define who and what they are. That method has worked pretty well around here. Thanks for softening your tone, though. It's appreciated.

    I for one know there aren't a whole lot of educated people in these neighborhoods. Why do these few determined souls actually overcome the overwhelming odds of acquiring said education? To get the hell out of the hood!!!

    I agree, there aren't many educated people living in the hood but to suggest that there are NONE is wrong. That's what you seemed to say when you said, "I have absolutely no doubt you prefer the hood to any place in the world where there are people who are educated and can see through your nonsense. Easy to dazzle the dregs and that's why you could never move into other circles. "

    Here is a poem written by one "prisoner" of the hood... It was in a book called The Corner ... this book really helped me to better understand my own Personal Experiences within these sorts of places. *gasp* Can you imagine a white woman with personal experience in the hood??? Almost enough to rock your world, eh? So it goes.

    Rock my world? To learn that you lived in the hood? No, far from it. That *is* why I asked, though -- to keep from making assumptions about something I knew nothing about. More whites in America live in poverty than blacks... that fact is well known. Some of them even live in the hood. It's good to know it's personal experience that's led you to hold the opinion you have about the hood and the people who live there. Thanks for clearing that up.

    As for the poem, I have no doubt that it is true in many cases. Many people can vouch for its truthfulness. I am beginning to rethink my views on the hood. Perhaps you are right. Perhaps there are lots of uneducated dregs living there. Sorta make me wonder why we're bombing Afghanistan. Shoulda started here, eh?

    Personally Todd, I think most folks are like the boy who wrote this poem. Victims of their own circumstances. I also know that a place with people who are not so educated and have little to no hope is a place where someone like you could be made to feel positively brilliant.

    If you say so, but it might surprise you to know... ahh... nevermind.

    It is clear to me by your essay that you knew little about Henry and his time. You learned a smattering and felt equipped to write that essay. I studied the period for years and after I finish my book on someone from the Real middle ages I will do a large work on Henry (who really didn't live in the "middle ages" as you claim). Reading your essay only confirms to me how little is commonly known about events that have helped to shape our world. I hope to make a contribution to change that. Essays like yours don't really help. It's not so much the minor mistakes you make it is more the major factors you leave out. Here's a hint on one: Why did the Pope deny Henry's request for divorce? There are plenty of others but I won't waste any more time here.

    You are absolutely right about one thing: I know little about Henry VIII. Never claimed otherwise. But here's the funny part: If you think my essay was about Henry, you missed the entire point of it, cause let me tell you a little secret... <whispering> it wasn't about Henry. Since I'm feeling a bit mischievous, I won't tell you what the essay WAS about -- you'll hafta axe somebody!! <hee hee>

    Btw, I am impressed that you studied the period (which I miscalled the "middle ages") "for years." I look forward to not reading your book or one like it. Perhaps little is commonly known about those events and that time period because there's miniscule interest among hte general population. My essay was not meant to enlighten JW.com-ers about Elizabethan England. Personally, I couldn't care less about the old boy than I do right now and I'm fairly certain that I have a lot of company in that regard.

    As to your question about the Pope's denial of Henry's request for divorce, I know what the history books says. Since you've studied him for years, you probably know the inside scoop, the "REAL STORY." OOOOO!!!

    Know what? Whatever the reason was, the events that followed will remain the same. That's the really cool thing about history.

    It's been fun. See you next time.

    tj

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Dearest, Rex, peace to you... and sorry if my 'attention' to Julie... offended you. If you will, please permit me to respond. Thank you.

    I would like to start with what you yourself have quoted, please:

    9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.
    11 As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame."

    Okay, good. Wonderful. Makes sense... to ME. You then quote:

    15 that everyone who believes in him may have eternal life.
    16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
    17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.

    Still doing good...

    This shows just how much love God has for all of mankind.

    Indeed, He does not wish ANY to 'perish'... yes? And I absolutely concur with that type of love. But... what I said was:

    ... who do not even believe He exists, or if so, believes Him evil? What OBLIGATION does He have toward such ones? Why would He be concerned with those who are not of His Household, those NOT in a covenant with Him?

    What did you miss here, dear Rex?

    Who are you (or me) to judge anyone?

    I judged no one, Rex. No one at all. In fact, I do not know who such people are... only that they exist. And I included the words 'perhaps like you' for Miss Julie... based on HER stated 'position' with regard to my Father. You must then, ask HER... what she 'believes'... and whether it ties in with YOUR quotes. If not... then what?

    Only god can judge the heart...

    Uh, not quite, Rexie. He has COMMITTED such judging... to our Lord. Yes? The One of whom it is said, "he well knows what is IN man"? And THAT One DID tell US that 'by their fruits'... we would know the 'children of the Devil'... yes? Is KNOWING... the same as JUDGING? I think not. For my Father shows mercy to whomever HE wishes to show it, yes? But, did not Paul expose Peter... face to face... as a hypocrite? Was that 'judging'? And did not the apostles call Paul to task for HIS erroneous judging? And did Paul not 'repent' of it?

    and we are viewing only the rough surface that is yet coal but may some day be a diamond.

    Absolutely. And it is my SINCEREST hope that ALL are found to be 'diamonds'. Otherwise, why bother speaking at all? Why not just write everyone off? Because my Lord didn't, my Father didn't... and neither do I.

    Your own words condemn you.

    I am not aware of anything against myself in this matter, Rex. If I were, I would state it, here, publicly. And apologize. Publicly.
    And please know that I am not 'angry' at Julie. By NO means. She made a statement that we are 'all God's children'. But if that were true, then SOMEBODY'S lying... because my Lord called SOME... 'offspring of vipers'. Yes? And our brother John intimated to us how we could the 'children of the Devil'. Tell me... are the children of the Devil... the children of God?

    The Law Covenant is fullfilled in Christ HE died for all of the sins of the world. Israel was to be the 'light of the world', but failed. Those who belong to Christ are in the world yet because God desires all to be saved.

    Absolutely. God desires all to be saved. Unfortunately, like Israel, however... not all DESIRE to be saved. Many feel no NEED to be saved, yes? However, 'for as many as DID receive him'... there is salvation. Yes? What salvation is there for those who do not WANT... or think they NEED... to be saved?

    And THEN you quote:

    41 "Then he will say to those on his left, `Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' 44 "They also will answer, `Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' 45 "He will reply, `I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.' 46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

    ... and ask ME does that make ME pause "just a little". Tell me, doesn't it make YOU pause? Just a little?

    You go on to say:

    8 He replied: "Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, `I am he,' and, `The time is near.' Do not follow them.

    ... and ask "Does that sound just a little like some self-proclaimed prophets?"

    Absolutely. It does. But surely you are not applying those words to me? I have made NO such statements... implied or otherwise. I am NOT 'he'... and I have NO idea when 'the time' is. I am not even CONCERNED with the time, for my 'commission' is not BASED on timeframes. I don't have a set number of years given me. I hear; I go; I speak. If it comes soon... great. If it doesn't... not even in my lifetime... so what? Are we TRULY to be concerned with doing our Lord's will within a certain timeframe? 1914... 1975... 2000... 3000... means nothing to me, Rex. Truly. I've been promised NOTHING in this sytem of things... and EVERYTHING in that one... and I will get it... when I get it. And if I don't... I still will not consider my time 'wasted' or lost. I do not DO it for want of a reward. I do it... out of love... for my Father... my Lord... and those they love and that love them. Period. I have NO other 'motivation'... not even fear. For love... casts fear OUTSIDE.

    What amazing arrogance.

    If you think me arrogant, please, let me say two things:

    First, I apologize, for that was not my intention at all... nor my desire. Second, my Lord was thought arrogant... as were those prior to me. Truly, nothing new under the sun. Question is: who was it, truly, that THOUGHT them 'arrogant'?

    Amos 7:12-16

    But, as you have said:

    Do not judge, lest you be judged.

    I will 'hear' your counsel, Rex... and consider it. I WILL 'examine' my heart... and if I find you to be 'in the right', I WILL repent... in sackcloth and ashes... and state so, publicly.

    Again, peace to you... and no, my words are not 'empty'.

    SJ

  • bigboi
    bigboi
    Here's a hint on one: Why did the Pope deny Henry's request for divorce? There are plenty of others but I won't waste any more time here.

    Well actually I don't see how the answer to this question is somehow a major point, but it does go a long way in helping ppl to see that the circumstances which gave teeth to Reformation sentiments in Europe had nothing to do with religion.

    The Pope had just had his ass kicked by The holy Roman Emperor Charles V. He was the most powerful ruler in Europe at the time. He was a staunch Catholic, but wasn't above keeping his spirtual leader in line via a bloody smackdown, which occured when he sacked Rome in 1529. Now how does this tie in to Henry VIII's marital problems? Well, it seems that the woman Henry wanted to get rid of was the aunt of Holy Roman Emperor Charles V! That's right he was her nephew! Seeing that he was now the virtual arbiter of Itlay, there was no way the Pope could acquiesce to Henry's demands for a divorce without risking the wrath of the #1 sheep in his fold. Henry grew impatient with the discretionary pace of events in securing the Pope's approval and instead had the English Parliament pass an Act that cut off all English church courts appeals to Rome, which effectively ended Papal authority in England. Henry got his divorce and the former Defender of the Faith was now the world's most prominent Protestant!

    Hope that's what u were looking for Julie!

    fom uneducated hood member #408080808.

    ONE....

    bigboi

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