by aligot ripounsous 19 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
The Anointed are not among the JW's at all, PERIOD!
Linda,
in saying this you enter into the WTS theology already since, to my knowledge, there is no other denomination which teaches the 2 classes. Anyway, since our insight has been updated lately and we know now that the heavenly call has actually been kept open ever after 1935 with no time limit until A, the Chinese throngs have their chance. The fact that there is a risk of having the little flock a bit over-manned is but a detail.
firstfruits...the word is plural and implies a gathering (the 144,000)
Tula,
You seem to infer that the firstfruits are the 144 000. Do you mean that they lived and have been resurrected (as spiritual beings I suppose) in the span of time between Jesus' stay on earth and his second coming ? Why not, after all, but there's a flaw : I checked with a couple of different versions of the Bible, (BibleGateway.com), not one of them let the reader believe that the firstfruits stand for the anointed disciples, they all read plainly that the firstfruits represent Jesus.What is this denomination that teaches something which seems to be so obviously at odd with the biblical text ?
I would like to add that the usual interpretation of "Jesus, the first fruits" is that Jesus was the 1st to be raised from the grave eternally, and transformed from mortal to immortal. (1 Cor. 15:12-58)firstfruits...the word is plural and implies a gathering (the 144,000)
Tula,
You seem to infer that the firstfruits are the 144 000. Do you mean that they lived and have been resurrected (as spiritual beings I suppose) in the span of time between Jesus' stay on earth and his second coming ? Why not, after all, but there's a flaw : I checked with a couple of different versions of the Bible, (BibleGateway.com), not one of them let the reader believe that the firstfruits stand for the anointed disciples, they all read plainly that the firstfruits represent Jesus.What is this denomination that teaches something which seems to be so obviously at odd with the biblical text ?
Montana
I've never thought such a thing that "the annointed" would be white anglo saxon. Silly me. It is more likely for those new in other countries having previous beliefs that included ritual and some kind of "heavenly hope" that prompts their partaking. I knew a sister who wasn't anointed then was and partook for a good 20 yrs and then felt she wasn't annointed anymore. Isn't the threat that if you do partake and you really "haven't been called" then you are drinking to your own death?
not one of them let the reader believe that the firstfruits stand for the anointed disciples, they all read plainly that the firstfruits represent Jesus
As you can see from the following scriptures, firstfruits are PLURAL.....that means more than one.
If you look at these old testament scriptures, remembering that the old testament often foreshadows, then you will see that the firstfruits are always PRESENTED TO the lord. The Lord is NOT a firstfruit.
That's easy, they all come from Spiritual Israel. Oh God, I'm gonna puke!
JK
The husband listened attentively and agreed but his wife probably found that we were engaging on a slippery ground and she shortened the visit.
Or.....maybe the wife thought she got enough of the needed brainwashing for the week and didn't want to talk about spirtual stuff. And she knew she was missing a good show on the TV on one of her few nights home. Just saying..maybe .
lisa
Now look at what you have done.That poor woman is probably going through mental hell right now with her cognitive dissonance.
I promiss, Honesty, I'LL DO IT AGAIN !
Well, if I can and I may not have another opportunity with those two, as I will sure be labeled as an earthen vase meant for an unhonourable use and unworthy of enjoying wholesome upbuilding association
Or.....maybe the wife thought she got enough of the needed brainwashing for the week and didn't want to talk about spirtual stuff.
There might be part of that, Lisa. Also the wife, as her husband has been recently baptized, wants to protect him, and her own quietness, from suspicious destabilizing questioning.
Real good question and observation, not many from other parts of the world and yet the Bible says that they WILL come from every nation, tribe, tongue and so forth. Just another good point to discuss with any JW who wants to be honest.
abr
