Did Jesus rise from the dead with 1.His physical body (or) 2. As a spirit

by jesusisgod 35 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • Blueblades

    The book that tells this story about Jesus is just hear-say and hand me down. Thousands of years have passed, millions of prayers have been prayed. Translations and misquotes have been made. No sign of Jesus.

    Answer me this one question. When Adam and Eve sinned, God immeadiately punished them and all mankind.Death.

    When Jesus paid the debt to God, why hasn't God acted immeadiately to reward him and all mankind. Life, Why the 2,000 and more years delay, where is the balance.

    When a ransom is paid there is an immeadiate release. God got his ransom and still has not given the release to mankind from death, why?


  • Batty

    Who is Jesus?

  • M.J.

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  • JosephMalik

    Answer me this one question. When Adam and Eve sinned, God immediately punished them and all mankind. Death.

    When Jesus paid the debt to God, why hasn't God acted immediately to reward him and all mankind. Life, Why the 2,000 and more years delay, where is the balance.


    But Adam and Eve continued to live for a long time and have children. You overlooked that fact. We can continue to live and have children as well. All this was explained at the time like this: 15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. The human race would be allowed to live just as Adam and Eve were in order to produce human seed as shown both good and bad. The good seed would be credited to Eve and the bad seed would be credited to the serpent. We learn later that when the earth is filled with enough good seed to fulfill its original purpose, then God would act and restore all of Eve’s good seed back to life. That is when all this will all balance out.

    Blueblades said: When a ransom is paid there is an immediate release.

    Who says? Not always. This is an assumption on your part not a truth. When a ransom is paid the victim is often found dead. In this case those that suffered are rewarded with immortal life. Much better.


  • M.J.

    Here's a take on 1 Cor 15:37-50 from the book "Life After Death" by Alan F Segal, p. 429:

    In 1 Corinthians 15:35 Paul began a brief exposition of the nature of the resurrection body. He was, in this passage, outlining a notion of the afterlife which had nothing to do with immortality of the soul; it is an offshoot of Jewish apocalypticism, out of which the Christian kerygma grows. But he was also cognizant of the beliefs of the audience so he merely ignored and did not argue against the immortality of the soul. Instead, he fastened again on the notion of spirit to explicate how the physical body of believers would be transformed by the resurrection. His argument had nothing to do with what happened to Christ during the passion nor did he mention any empty tomb. His argument is by analogy with his own experience and, by expressing it this way, he was trying to keep faith with his own experience of the Spirit of God. His use of language of the body is entirely unique.

    The term for "physical body" is not exactly what one might expect but this is due to an unfortunate English translation. Neither the term soma sarkikon (fleshly body) nor the term soma phychikon (physical body), occurs; rather the term which occurs is soma psychikon, "ensouled body," a word which can mean "natural body" but is not the most obvious term for it. Since it combines the word for soul with the term for body, it is in a sense the totality of the Platonic ensouled-body as the Hellenistic world understood it. In a Platonic system that would only mean human bodies as we know them, with matter and soul both, therefore corruptible bodies. Because "psyche" could be taken to mean life in the physical sense in a non-Platonic setting, it is not necessarily a problem, strange though it may look; soma psychikon does not occur in Hellenistic literature with that meaning.

    But the contrasting term, soma pneumatikon is a complete contradiction in terms for anyone in a Platonic system, especially when contrasted with the psychic body just mentioned: "It is sown a physical body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a physical body, there is also a spiritual body" (1 Cor 15:41)

    There is no easy way to subsume this pair of statements into Platonism. What Paul was doing, however, was contrasting the Platonic view of humanity (the unredeemed body composed of soul and flesh) with his own view of the redeemed body, one that had now been transformed by the Spirit of God. One might say that Paul was trying to characterize his apocalyptic vision in a Hellenistic context, something like Josephus did for the speech of Eleazar ben Yair. But Paul's message only really makes sense within its Jewish, apocalyptic context. For Paul, life in its most basic sense, psychic life, was also bodily life. "Pneumatic," spiritual life is bodily as well, though Paul immediately reiterated that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God (1 Cor 15:50). The psychic body is the ordinary body (flesh and soul); the soma pneumatikon is the ordinary body subsumed and transformed by the spirit...

  • M.J.

    Check out this article from a Christian perspective:


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