To rem: Re: Keirsey Personality Types

by Esmeralda 26 Replies latest jw friends

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  Esmeralda

  Hey rem,

  I saw your post in the astrology thread and decided to start a new discussion here about Keirsey.

  I noticed how many people have been enjoying the silly little emode tests and immediately thought they'd really be amazed by Keirsey. I just love the test, the book, all of it.

  I first took the temperment sorter test 4 years ago when I was on my way out of the Borg and a bad marriage. I took it again just last month thinking that the results might have changed, but it hadn't.

  As much as leaving the Borg changed me, I am still fundamentally (no religious pun intended!) the same. Or, maybe I was already changed by that point when I was on my way out???

  I'm INFJ (Counselor Idealist) and my husband is a ISFJ (Guardian, Protector) and to me, that explains some of why our relationship works so well.

  I've wondered what other's temperment codes are here on the board, thanks for bringing the subject up. Maybe others will want to try the test and contribute.

  As you know, (I'm just saying this for those who haven't taken the test) it is no parlor game, though. This test is remarkably accurate. Amazing, even.

  Have you ever tried the Luscher (sp) Color Test?

  Here again is the URL for the Keirsey temperment sorter test for anyone who wants to try it:

  : http://www.advisorteam.com/
  
  OR

  :www.keirsey.com

  here's the URL to rem's original post in the what's your sign thread:

  : http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=14078&page=4&site=3

  and here's the description of INFJ (my temperment code) case anybody is curious! *lol*

  Counselors have an exceptionally strong desire to contribute to the welfare of others, and find great personal fulfillment interacting with people, nurturing their personal development, guiding them to realize their human potential. Although they are happy working at jobs (such as writing) that require solitude and close attention, Counselors do quite well with individuals or groups of people, provided that the personal interactions are not superficial, and that they find some quiet, private time every now and then to recharge their batteries. Counselors are both kind and positive in their handling of others; they are great listeners and seem naturally interested in helping people with their personal problems. Not usually visible leaders, Counselors prefer to work intensely with those close to them, especially on a one-to-one basis, quietly exerting their influence behind the scenes.

  Counselors are scarce, little more than one percent of the population, and can be hard to get to know, since they tend not to share their innermost thoughts or their powerful emotional reactions except with their loved ones. They are highly private people, with an unusually rich, complicated inner life. Friends or colleagues who have known them for years may find sides emerging which come as a surprise. Not that Counselors are flighty or scattered; they value their integrity a great deal, but they have mysterious, intricately woven personalities which sometimes puzzle even them.

  Counselors tend to work effectively in organizations. They value staff harmony and make every effort to help an organization run smoothly and pleasantly. They understand and use human systems creatively, and are good at consulting and cooperating with others. As employees or employers, Counselors are concerned with people’s feelings and are able to act as a barometer of the feelings within the organization. Blessed with vivid imaginations, Counselors are often seen as the most poetical of all the types, and in fact they use a lot of poetic imagery in their everyday language. Their great talent for language—both written and spoken—is usually directed toward communicating with people in a personalized way. Counselors are highly intuitive and can recognize another’s emotions or intentions—good or evil—even before that person is aware of them. Counselors themselves can seldom tell how they came to read others’ feelings so keenly. This extreme sensitivity to others could very well be the basis of the Counselor’s remarkable ability to experience a whole array of psychic phenomena.

  Thanks again rem for bringing up a subject that I find totally fascinating!

  *hugs*
  es
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  arachnia

  Hi Esmerelda,

  I'm an ENTJ myself (Field Marshal). I'm in fairly good company, as Carl Sagan, Napoleon, and Alan Greenspan are also ENTJ's. (I wonder how Napoleon found the time to take this test while he was out conquering?) ;p

  Anyways, here's the description for a Field Marshal:
  

  Of the four aspects of strategic analysis and definition it is marshalling or situational organizing role that reaches the highest development in Fieldmarsals. As this kind of role is practiced some contingency organizing is necessary, so that the second suit of the Fieldmarshal's intellect is devising contingency plans. Structural and functional engineering, though practiced in some degree in the course of organizational operations, tend to be not nearly as well developed and are soon outstripped by the rapidly growing skills in organizing. But it must be said that any kind of strategic exercize tends to bring added strength to engineering as well as organizing skills.

  As the organizing capabilities the Fieldmarshal increase so does their desire to let others know about whatever has come of their organizational efforts. So they tend to take up a directive role in their social exchanges. On the other hand they have less and less desire, if they ever had any, to inform others.

  Hardly more than two percent of the total population, the Fieldmarshals are bound to lead others, and from an early age they can be observed taking command of groups. In some cases, Fieldmarshals simply find themselves in charge of groups, and are mystified as to how this happened. But the reason is that Fieldmarshals have a strong natural urge to give structure and direction wherever they are -- to harness people in the field and to direct them to achieve distant goals. They resemble Supervisors in their tendency to establish plans for a task, enterprise, or organization, but Fieldmarshals search more for policy and goals than for regulations and procedures.

  They cannot not build organizations, and cannot not push to implement their goals. When in charge of an organization, whether in the military, business, education, or government, Fieldmarshals more than any other type desire (and generally have the ability) to visualize where the organization is going, and they seem able to communicate that vision to others. Their organizational and coordinating skills tends to be highly developed, which means that they are likely to be good at systematizing, ordering priorities, generalizing, summarizing, at marshalling evidence, and at demonstrating their ideas. Their ability to organize, however, may be more highly developed than their ability to analyze, and the Fieldmarshal leader may need to turn to an Inventor or Architect to provide this kind of input.

  Fieldmarshals will usually rise to positions of responsibility and enjoy being executives. They are tireless in their devotion to their jobs and can easily block out other areas of life for the sake of their work. Superb administrators in any field -- medicine, law, business, education, government, the military -- Fieldmarshals organize their units into smooth-functioning systems, planning in advance, keeping both short-term and long-range objectives well in mind. For the Fieldmarshals, there must always be a goal-directed reason for doing anything, and people's feelings usually are not sufficient reason. They prefer decisions to be based on impersonal data, want to work from well thought-out plans, like to use engineered operations -- and they expect others to follow suit. They are ever intent on reducing bureaucratic red tape, task redundancy, and aimless confusion in the workplace, and they are willing to dismiss employees who cannot get with the program and increase their efficiency. Although Fieldmarshals are tolerant of established procedures, they can and will abandon any procedure when it can be shown to be ineffective in accomplishing its goal. Fieldmarshals root out and reject ineffectiveness and inefficiency, and are impatient with repetition of error.

  Now why couldn't these traits have kicked the "new personality's" arse a few years earlier? I would have my degree by now! <grin>

  Cheers,
  ~arachnia

  Say not, "I have found the truth," but rather, "I have found a truth."
  -Kahlil Gibran
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  Mulan

  Thanks for doing this Essie. I was going to post this subject a couple of weeks ago, and forgot.

  I am: ENFJ ("Public Relations Specialist") Those initials stand for Extraverted, Intuitive, Feeling, and Judging. I can't get away from the judging thing.

  My husband is ISFJ (Introverted, Sensing, Feeling, Judging)....very close to mine. His description is "On my honor, to do my duty".

  Marilyn (a.k.a. Mulan)
  "Those who know, don't say, and those who say, don't know."
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  proplog2

  Although I am not fond of Jungian typologies I usually come off as an ENFP.
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  Esmeralda

  thanks for the replies, guys! I just find this all totally fascinating. But then I would, I guess. I'm a weirdo Counselor after all *LOL*

  Hey Mulan, our hubbys are both ISFJ's! Aren't they just loves to be married to? :)

  I don't remember my ex's code but man, if we'd taken this test before we married we would have KNOWN how badly matched we were! I think this should be a required test to take before you get a marriage license *lol*

  *hugs*
  es
  (total insomniac up with the flu)
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  Mulan

  You're right, Essie, he is a doll. We are almost the same type, but I am an extrovert and he is an introvert. I took this test about 5 years ago too, and I did change from that time. I have to find the old results, but Steven Hassan's book says that these tests are accuracte your whole life, unless you come out of a cult. That was interesting. I don't think 'I'ntuitive was one of my initials in the old one.

  Marilyn (a.k.a. Mulan)
  "Those who know, don't say, and those who say, don't know."
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  Ranchette

  This was mine,

  The Artisan Portrait

  All Artisans (SPs) share the following core characteristics:

  Artisans tend to be fun-loving, optimistic, realistic, and focused on the here and now.
  Artisans pride themselves on being unconventional, bold, and spontaneous.
  Artisans make playful mates, creative parents, and troubleshooting leaders.
  Artisans are excitable, trust their impulses, want to make a splash, seek stimulation, prize freedom, and dream of mastering action skills.

  Artisans are the temperament with a natural ability to excel in any of the arts, not only the fine arts such as painting and sculpting, or the performing arts such as music, theater, and dance, but also the athletic, military, political, mechanical, and industrial arts, as well as the "art of the deal" in business.

  There are many Artisans, perhaps 35 to 40 percent of the population, which is good, because they create much of the beauty, grace, fun, and excitement the rest of us enjoy in life. The four types of Artisans are:

  There are Four Artisan Character Types:

  Composers | Crafters | Performers | Promoters

  Ranchette
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  closer2fine

  I am a Guardian (SJ)

  All Guardians (SJs) share the following core characteristics:

  Guardians pride themselves on being dependable, helpful, and hard-working.
  Guardians make loyal mates, responsible parents, and stabilizing leaders.
  Guardians tend to be dutiful, cautious, humble, and focused on credentials and traditions.
  Guardians are concerned citizens who trust authority, join groups, seek security, prize gratitude, and dream of meting out justice.
  Guardians are the cornerstone of society, for they are the temperament given to serving and preserving our most important social institutions. Guardians have natural talent in managing goods and services--from supervision to maintenance and supply--and they use all their skills to keep things running smoothly in their families, communities, schools, churches, hospitals, and businesses.

  Guardians make up as much as 40 to 45 percent of the population.

  The four types of Guardians are:

  Inspectors | Protectors | Providers | Supervisors

  closer

  Mean People Produce
  Little Mean People
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  Andee

  Another Artisan here.

  Andee
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  Xena

  Came up as an Idealist...interesting....thank you Esmeralda

  The Idealist Portrait
  All Idealists (NFs) share the following core characteristics:

  Idealists are enthusiastic, they trust their intuition, yearn for romance, seek their true self, prize meaningful relationships, and dream of attaining wisdom.
  Idealists pride themselves on being loving, kindhearted, and authentic.
  Idealists tend to be giving, trusting, spiritual, and they are focused on personal journeys and human potentials.
  Idealists make intense mates, nurturing parents, and inspirational leaders.

  Idealists, as a temperament, are passionately concerned with personal growth and development. Idealists strive to discover who they are and how they can become their best possible self--always this quest for self-knowledge and self-improvement drives their imagination. And they want to help others make the journey. Idealists are naturally drawn to working with people, and whether in education or counseling, in social services or personnel work, in journalism or the ministry, they are gifted at helping others find their way in life, often inspiring them to grow as individuals and to fulfill their potentials.

  Idealists are rare, making up no more than 8 to 10 percent of the population. But their ability to inspire people with their enthusiasm and their idealism has given them influence far beyond their numbers.

  The four types of Idealists are:

  Healers | Counselors | Champions | Teachers