Question about 1914

by serotonin_wraith 22 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • serotonin_wraith
    serotonin_wraith

    JWs believe 1914 was a turning point with Jesus' invisible reign, and the first World War started in 1914.

    What order did it actually happen?

    Did they think Armageddon would be in 1914, then when it came and went they changed their mind and said it was Jesus' invisible reign? Or did the war happen and only after they decided to say 1914 was a special year for them? I'd still see it as a coincidence if war happened to break out the same year they predicted something big, but maybe I don't even have to stretch that far.

  • NotaNess
    NotaNess

    From what I've seen, if I'm not wrong, it wasn't until about 1924/25 that they switched to 1914 as Christs invisible reign. Somebody? Anybody? Thanks!

  • nvrgnbk
    nvrgnbk

    Good questions serotonin_wraith!

    The War started in spring/summer- Jesus was to begin his rule in October.

    The invisible reign wasn't arrived upon till over a decade later.

  • serotonin_wraith
    serotonin_wraith

    When exactly was it predicted something would happen in the october of 1914? After the war had begun, or years before? Or added in after, even.

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    All your questions are answered with numerous quotes in this article http://www.jwfacts.com/index_files/1914dates.htm

    WW1 happened in August, but the end of the Gentile times is said to have been Oct 2nd. In other words the War started prior to the Last Days (as per JW chronology). A CO told me that Satan was putting up a smoke screen to confuse people - whatever!

    1914 was going to be the end of the world, Armageddon, the end of all relgion, the end of all government, the end of the Last days (not the beginning). So everything the Watchtower predicted for 1914 was wrong.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    jwfacts has it simple and right. His link is pretty helpful.
    Long before 1914, the last days were to end in 1914.
    The International Bible Students and C.T.Russell were
    disappointed that the war that started didn't lead right
    into Armageddon. Somehow, Russell maintained enough
    followers for Rutherford to figure out how to predict the
    future, then no matter what, declare that he was not
    wrong, but that new light shone on present truths.

  • jwfacts
    jwfacts

    Here is my favourite quote about how gullible people are that they would remain part of the religion after such a failed prediction. It makes it embarrasing to be human.

    Doctrines that make no predictions are less compelling than those which make correct predictions; they are in turn more successful than doctrines that make false predictions.

    But not always. One prominent American religion confidently predicted that the world would end in 1914. Well, 1914 has come and gone, and -- while the events of that year were certainly of some importance -- the world does not, at least so far as I can see, seem to have ended. There are at least three responses that an organized religion can make in the face of such a failed and fundamental prophecy. They could have said, "Oh, did we say '1914'? So sorry, we meant '2014.' A slight error in calculation. Hope you weren't inconvenienced in any way." But they did not. They could have said, "Well, the world would have ended, except we prayed very hard and interceded with God so He spared the Earth." But they did not. Instead, they did something much more ingenious.

    They announced that the world had in fact ended in 1914, and if the rest of us hadn't noticed, that was our lookout. It is astonishing in the face of such transparent evasions that this religion has any adherents at all. But religions are tough. Either they make no contentions which are subject to disproof or they quickly redesign doctrine after disproof. The fact that religions can be so shamelessly dishonest, so contemptuous of the intelligence of their adherents, and still flourish does not speak very well for the tough-mindedness of the believers. But it does indicate, if a demonstration were needed, that near the core of the religious experience is something remarkably resistant to rational inquiry.

    Broca's Brain Carl Sagan (New York: Ballantine Books, 1979, pp. 332-333)

  • nvrgnbk
    nvrgnbk

    May Jehovah eternally bless Carl Sagan for his intellectual honesty.

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    In fact what they believed originally was that the Christ returned invisibly in 1878 and was going to complete his return with a visible return, the second stage in the process, in 1914.

    When that failed to happen they moved forward the dates of the above events, the invisible return went to 1914 and the visible to a number of changing dates according to what they perceived the last generation life span to be at each time.

  • justhuman
    justhuman

    What a brilliant scientist was Carl Sagan...Watch the film 'Contact'...In the film, at the end, the Scientist she believe's in God. In a very nice way Carl he tells us that God exists.

    Regarding 1914, actually it wasn't 1914 but 1878, and then it was 1914 that God would establish the millenuim. But nothing happened so they said it was the invisible parousia(presence)of Christ that only Russell has saw!!!

    The rest it is history altered by Watchtower. They say nothing about 1925, that Booze Jo build a nice villa and he waited for the earthly Prophets to come(Noah, Isaac, David, Moses)but again nothing happened, and then it was 1942 that few months way from Armageddon separate JW's. And it was 1975. and nothing happened again, and the famous generation that will see the end, died in 1995.

    End of story...

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