by eclipse 31 Replies latest watchtower beliefs
lol, when you hover your MOUSE over your thread title, it gives you the same editing options as your post..
so I changed it...so that the Christians / religious JWD'iers here would feel safe to share their ideas too
I am a Christian and I felt safe to enter the darkness here Still not convinced about the title change - are you sure it's not witchcraft ?
I believe each of us is on a Journey of Discovery. I don't judge anyone for their beliefs.
Satanists are evil people. I have dealt with them before I don't know if Satan actually exist, but the people that follow him are just plain evil.
It all depends on what you are considering a "satanist." Lots of people lump all pagans in that category and nothing could be further from the truth. I was actually quite surprised to see what satanism was about (not at all as evil as I had been led to believe). However, it is not for me either. There are flakes in EVERY religion, so I can't judge them based on a few fringe members. I believe that they are about getting back the respect that the biblical writers took from this creature called satan. After all, he wasn't the one that lied according to the myth.
Sherry
Satanists are evil people. I have dealt with them before I don't know if Satan actually exist, but the people that follow him are just plain evil.
kwr, perhaps some might be considered evil, but there are many that call themselves satanists, but do not actually practice true satanism.
True Satanists do not follow Satan. Satanists do not believe that he is real. Satanists live by a strict code.
Satan worshipers however probably do worship Satan, They believe in Satan. They are the ones that perform those disgusting and harmful/murderous rituals that hurt other people, animals and children. Satanists detest those who hurt animals and children.
http://web.satanism101.com/statements.html
The Nine Satanic Statements
I
Satan represents indulgence, instead of abstinence
II
Satan represents vital existence, instead of spiritual pipe dreams
III
Satan represents undefiled wisdom, instead of hypocritical self-deceit
IV
Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, instead of love wasted on ingrates
V
Satan represents vengeance, instead of turning the other cheek
VI
Satan represents responsibility to the responsible, instead of concern for psychic vampires
VII
Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more often worse than those that walk on all fours, who, because of his "divine spiritual and intellectual development, has become the most vicious animal of all
VIII
Satan represents all of the so-called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental, or emotional gratification
IX
Satan is the best friend the church has ever had, as he has kept it in business all these years
http://web.satanism101.com/rules.html
http://www.churchofsatan.com/home.html
The Nine Satanic Sins
by Anton Szandor LaVey ©1987
1.Stupidity—The top of the list for Satanic Sins. The Cardinal Sin of Satanism. It’s too bad that stupidity isn’t painful. Ignorance is one thing, but our society thrives increasingly on stupidity. It depends on people going along with whatever they are told. The media promotes a cultivated stupidity as a posture that is not only acceptable but laudable. Satanists must learn to see through the tricks and cannot afford to be stupid.
2. Pretentiousness—Empty posturing can be most irritating and isn’t applying the cardinal rules of Lesser Magic. On equal footing with stupidity for what keeps the money in circulation these days. Everyone’s made to feel like a big shot, whether they can come up with the goods or not.
3. Solipsism—Can be very dangerous for Satanists. Projecting your reactions, responses and sensibilities onto someone who is probably far less attuned than you are. It is the mistake of expecting people to give you the same consideration, courtesy and respect that you naturally give them. They won’t. Instead, Satanists must strive to apply the dictum of “Do unto others as they do unto you.” It’s work for most of us and requires constant vigilance lest you slip into a comfortable illusion of everyone being like you. As has been said, certain utopias would be ideal in a nation of philosophers, but unfortunately (or perhaps fortunately, from a Machiavellian standpoint) we are far from that point.
4. Self-deceit—It’s in the “Nine Satanic Statements” but deserves to be repeated here. Another cardinal sin. We must not pay homage to any of the sacred cows presented to us, including the roles we are expected to play ourselves. The only time self-deceit should be entered into is when it’s fun, and with awareness. But then, it’s not self-deceit!
5. Herd Conformity—That’s obvious from a Satanic stance. It’s all right to conform to a person’s wishes, if it ultimately benefits you. But only fools follow along with the herd, letting an impersonal entity dictate to you. The key is to choose a master wisely instead of being enslaved by the whims of the many.
6. Lack of Perspective—Again, this one can lead to a lot of pain for a Satanist. You must never lose sight of who and what you are, and what a threat you can be, by your very existence. We are making history right now, every day. Always keep the wider historical and social picture in mind. That is an important key to both Lesser and Greater Magic. See the patterns and fit things together as you want the pieces to fall into place. Do not be swayed by herd constraints—know that you are working on another level entirely from the rest of the world.
7. Forgetfulness of Past Orthodoxies—Be aware that this is one of the keys to brainwashing people into accepting something new and different, when in reality it’s something that was once widely accepted but is now presented in a new package. We are expected to rave about the genius of the creator and forget the original. This makes for a disposable society.
8. Counterproductive Pride—That first word is important. Pride is great up to the point you begin to throw out the baby with the bathwater. The rule of Satanism is: if it works for you, great. When it stops working for you, when you’ve painted yourself into a corner and the only way out is to say, I’m sorry, I made a mistake, I wish we could compromise somehow, then do it.
9. Lack of Aesthetics—This is the physical application of the Balance Factor. Aesthetics is important in Lesser Magic and should be cultivated. It is obvious that no one can collect any money off classical standards of beauty and form most of the time so they are discouraged in a consumer society, but an eye for beauty, for balance, is an essential Satanic tool and must be applied for greatest magical effectiveness. It’s not what’s supposed to be pleasing—it’s what is. Aesthetics is a personal thing, reflective of one’s own nature, but there are universally pleasing and harmonious configurations that should not be denied.
(Please excuse the font for being so large. Copy pasted from website.)
Now you know what Satanists are about.
Only with knowledge, can ignorance be defeated. Knowledge is the cure for prejudice.
-eclipse
(I am not a Satanist, but I do find some of their codes and sins as a practical guide of conduct)
eclipse, i'm gonna check into this. i don't worship satan, but, try to live by this code.
Having read LeVay's declarations it becomes apparent that his satanism is nothing but the worship of the instincts their pursuits and pleasures. This is what will set back civilisation whose development depends on subliming those instinctive energies and using them in more creative and superior ways. Even the atheist Freud thought as much.
The church did well in putting down the sensualism of paganism and following a contra instinctual trajectory. Not totally of course eg it didn't ban sex in marriage.
I know, bigdreaux, it's not about satan at all, it's about theself.
This is from the site eclipse referred to above:
Welcome to Satanism 101!
You’ve seen us on the streets. I rode the bike right next to you in the gym today. I’m that guy you cut in front of in traffic. I held the door open for your wife and kids going into the market too.
Who are we? We’re Satanists.
Black cloaks and pentacles, that’s us too. Hollywood fears us and right wing fundamentalists hate us. Legend has us murdering and having sadistic and depraved ceremonies all in the name of Satan. When you speak the word Satanist, do you believe these sources? Fear and hate us if you will, but read the truth, Satanist 101. Articles by avowed Satanists.
Hollywood will titillate. Christian Fundies will tell shocking and vicious lies. Satanism 101 is brought to you by Reason and Intellect. More Satanic virtues you will find inside.
Pssst… Here is the funny part… We don’t even believe in Satan!
The events inside are posted by real Satanists, in the real world.
