LIVID at knocking documentary

by avishai 36 Replies latest jw friends

  • avishai
    avishai

    we give state funds for this sh*T? Phillip Brumley's smug face on there? Well, here's how he twists words about child molesters......THe person referred to in the story, the victim, is my brother

    On the heels of a lawsuit filed against mid-valley Jehovah's Witnesses congregations in September, another man has come forward claiming his child was sexually abused by the same person.

    In a lawsuit filed in September, Tyler C. Davidow, 24, asked for $3 million in damages in the suit, filed in Benton County Circuit Court. The suit is one of a series of mass filings against the Jehovah's Witnesses that a Texas law firm is planning.

    Davidow claims a man named Troy Christian McKenzie, now 34, abused him in 1984. According to the suit, Davidow, McKenzie, and both boys' mothers were all Jehovah's Witnesses.

    The Davidow suit claims that when Cathy Davidow learned of her son's abuse in 1985, she went to the elders of her church and they told her not to make a report to the police so they could deal with it internally. Elders never addressed the matter, the suit claims. Tyler and Cathy Davidow both declined to be interviewed.

    A lawyer for the Watchtower Society said elders at the Albany and Corvallis Jehovah's Witnesses congregations had no idea children in their flock were being abused.

    "The elders did not know about this and were not responsible for this," said Philip Brumley, general counsel for the Watchtower Society, which is the Jehovah's Witnesses headquarters in New York.

    After Davidow's lawsuit was filed, John Muir, a former member of the Corvallis congregation, came forward, claiming that McKenzie also abused his son, Eli.

    When Cathy Davidow reported her son's abuse to the elders, other parents were not informed of the allegations against McKenzie, Muir said. But Muir heard about the allegations from another church member. He also heard that Davidow was not the only boy who had been abused -- and that Muir's son was one of the victims.

    Shocked, Muir went to the elders and asked them to tell him what they knew.

    "When I asked for information I was told I didn't need to know. It would serve no purpose," he said.

    Muir and his wife then began years of wondering how to deal with the situation.

    "You tell me, how do you ask a 4-year-old what was done to him?" Muir said. "Does he even remember? Maybe he has buried it so far in his mind that he doesn't remember anything."

    After living with the uncertainty for years, Muir finally talked about it with his son. Eli told his father that he had been abused but did not remember the incident very clearly.

    Muir has contacted the Texas law firm handling the case against the Jehovah's Witnesses church, but at this point has not filed a suit of his own.

    Eli is now 25, and Oregon law says that civil lawsuits for childhood abuse must be filed before the victim's 25th birthday. But John and Eli Muir decided to speak out anyway, to encourage others who may have been abused. Even if there is no legal action taken in their case, Muir thinks that what was done was wrong.

    "That boy was allowed to continue to roam about the congregation," he said. "Other families had no knowledge that they had a child molester in their midst."

    Muir is no longer a Jehovah's Witness. He said he was "disfellowshipped" from the church several years after the abuse incident, for an unrelated matter.

    He knows the elders did not intend for children to be abused. But he thinks church policy failed miserably when it came to dealing with abuse.

    "I would say in most cases they do a good job," he said. "But in this case not only did they do a bad job, but they themselves caused harm to the children. They left the children exposed to future harm."

    Brumley, the Watchtower Society lawyer, said that the elders aren't to blame for acts committed by another person. He says McKenzie wasn't even an official congregation member, though he may have attended some meetings.

    "To our knowledge, he was never a baptized Witness," Brumley said.

    Kimberlee Norris, one of the Texas lawyers filing cases against Jehovah's Witnesses, contends that church policies create an opportunity for abuse to occur. One policy, she says, tells church members to report problems involving other believers to church leaders instead of police. Another requires two eyewitnesses to an incident before the accused person can be punished.

    She claims that McKenzie abused Davidow while he was a teenager living in Oregon, didn't face any consequences for it, and went on to abuse again.

    Norris provided court records showing McKenzie served time in Alaska for sexual abuse.

    McKenzie was convicted of sexually abusing a young boy in Alaska in 1994. He was sentenced to three years in prison, but two and a half years of that was suspended. He was considered a good candidate for sex offender treatment, and was allowed to move to Oregon with the condition that he remain on probation and attend a sex offender treatment program.

    In 1995 and in 1996, the Oregon Department of Corrections recommended that his probation be revoked. His sex offender treatment provider wrote a letter saying McKenzie "is a fixed predatory pedophile who is extremely dangerous in the community."

    McKenzie admitted that he had attended Jehovah's Witnesses meetings, where he was in contact with many young males, without receiving permission from his probation officer or obtaining an approved chaperon for the meetings.

    "This is especially significant in that McKenzie's admitted history is that he met victims in the past through Jehovah's Witnesses gatherings," a probation officer wrote.

    McKenzie is currently serving probation in Anchorage and could not be located for comment.

    No court dates have been set in the case.

    In October, documents were seized from a storage unit in Philomath and placed in a sealed envelope at the Benton County Circuit Court. According to court records, the envelope contains journals and documents belonging to McKenzie that may contain evidence of sexual abuse.

    Brumley said his clients will continue to dispute the allegations.

    "While our hearts go out to Tyler for the suffering he may have endured, we are confident that neither Watchtower nor any of the local congregation elders are responsible for what he alleges happened," Brumley said.

    Bullshit, the elders were aware of dozens of offenses from just that one offender in the cong., not too mention the other at least two that they covered up for................And bethel was also made aware of it and did jack

  • mrs rocky2
    mrs rocky2

    The program is airing right now on PBS (Spokane, KCTS). I went to their website and found more information, one section myths and realities. Whoever produced this information has on rose colored glasses. The spin does not include how challenging Watchtower's policy on child molestors/pedophiles is considered apostasy. When is defending innocent children from harm a sin? It makes my blood boil!

    Mrs R

  • Junction-Guy
    Junction-Guy

    Avishai, do I understand you correctly, the pedophile issue was mentioned in Knocking but was glossed over by the producers?

    I have seen numerous threads about "Knocking", but the only things I have noticed in these posts were about the blood issue, the Supreme Court cases, and Nazi Germany. Did he slip this in on the last minute?

    Sorry I couldnt watch it last night,I had to work. I couldnt find the VCR manual or I would have taped it.

  • Honesty
    Honesty

    The local PBS affiliate got really irked at me this morning when I told him the documentary had some truth in it but also a lot of misinformation.

    I asked him, "Has anyone become a Jehovah’s Witness after reading the bible alone without the aid of Watchtower material?" to which he replied,"Did you join your church after reading the bible alone?"

    When I told him, "Yes" he went off on me.

    Does PBS make any $ off the sale of KNOCKING Dvd's and VHS tapes?

  • Mary
    Mary
    Brumley, the Watchtower Society lawyer, said that the elders aren't to blame for acts committed by another person. He says McKenzie wasn't even an official congregation member, though he may have attended some meetings.

    "To our knowledge, he was never a baptized Witness," Brumley said.

    What the f**k difference does that make??!! If you're aware that someone---anyone, is a sexual predator and has free access to kids, then it is your duty as a human being to report it to the police! Is this idiot Brumley trying to say that because this person wasn't at ALL the meetings or was never dunked in the baptismal pool, that they had no obligation to report him?! Brumley sounds about as intelligent as Shane Brady, the other Pillar of Idiocy in the Organization.

  • kid-A
    kid-A

    I saw the Knocking documentary on PBS last night but did not see any mention of the child molestation issue, just another major scandal that Engardio, a supposedly "independent" documentarian chose to completely ignore in his pro-watchtower puff piece.

    I was shocked at how utterly PRO-Watchtower the entire documentary was. The ONLY dissenting voice was from the non-JW mother-in-law who was lamenting the fact that her JW son and family could not participate in family holidays....that was IT!!!! Of all the glaring, stunning scandals that have plagued these dip-shits over the last several decades, that was the ONLY criticism raised against them?

    Absolutely pathetic. My blood was boiling as he presented the JWs as some poor persecuted people of faith suffering under the nazi's, without mentioning the German WTBS letter of appeasement sent to Hitler !!!! Without mentioning the fact that every JW dreams of the day when their loving dictator in the sky "jehoobie" will murder 6 billion non-JWs in the greatest holocaust of all time (making Hitler look like an amateur!)......What a bloody joke....

    Speaking of blood, of course he chooses to focus on one particular blood story, the nerdy liver transplant guy, who of course survives his "bloodless" surgery.....without even interviewing a single one of the thousands of JWs and survivors families who have DIED needlessly as a result of this perverted policy.

    We desperately need a COUNTER-DOCUMENTARY to be produced to address all of Engardio's glossy lies, one-by-one, interviewing and presenting BOTH sides of the issue, that any real documentarian would have made in the first place.

    All in all, "Knocking" is a vile piece of propaganda at its worst, which does not even approximate an accurate portrayal of this wacko cult.

  • Mary
    Mary
    We desperately need a COUNTER-DOCUMENTARY to be produced to address all of Engardio's glossy lies, one-by-one, interviewing and presenting BOTH sides of the issue, that any real documentarian would have made in the first place.

    That's a damn good idea hon......Me thinks that Randy Watters, Garybuss and Barbara Anderson would be the best group to do a REAL documentary on this cult. Interviews with people like Avashai, Mouthy, Ray Franz, A-K Jeff, James Penton, Junction Guy and countless others would give a far more realistic point of view of what the Craptower is really all about.

  • Junction-Guy
    Junction-Guy

    Thanks for clearing this up, perhaps Avishai was quoting from somewhere else.


    YES,YES,YES, we do desperately need a good video to counter Knocking, but when will it happen? and Who?

  • rebel8
    rebel8

    (( avishai )) You and your brother have certainly had your share of adversity lately.

    What are you quoting from in your post? A newspaper story?

  • reneeisorym
    reneeisorym

    It might be inspired by an ex-jw but it needs to be done by a neutral party so that it can't be labeled as apostate material.

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