Gun control logic

by Gregor 174 Replies latest social current

  • 5go
    No one is going to give me examples of when gun-owners HAVE actually 'protected freedoms' by using guns against the government... so 30,000 die a year as a result of a freedom that no one has used, nor is ever likely to. Not very pragmatic is it? Oh, there was Waco, but he was a Whako...

    Here is one 1776 the minute men fool !

    [edit] Equipment, training, and tactics

    Minutemen monument in Hollis, New Hampshire

    Most Colonial militia units were provided neither arms nor uniforms and had to equip themselves. Many simply wore their own farmers' or workmans' clothes, while others had buckskin hunting outfits. Some added Indian-style touches to intimidate the enemy, even including war-paint. Most used hunting rifles, which did not have bayonets but were accurate at long range. The Continental Armyregulars received European-style military training later in the American Revolutionary War, but the militias did not get much of this. Rather than fight formal battles in the traditional dense lines and columns, they were better when used as irregulars, primarily as skirmishers and sharpshooters.

    Their experience suited irregular warfare. Most were familiar with frontier hunting. The Indian Wars, and especially the recent French and Indian War, had taught both the men and officers the value of irregular warfare, while many British troops fresh from Europe were less familiar with this. The wilderness terrain that lay just beyond many colonial towns, very familiar to the local minuteman, favored this style of combat.

    The rifled musket used by most minutemen was also well suited to this role. The rifling (grooves inside the barrel) gave it a much greater range than the smoothbore musket, although it took much longer to load. Because of the lower rate of fire, rifles were not used by regular infantry but were preferred for hunting. When performing as skirmishers, the minutemen could fire and fall back behind cover or other troops before the British could get into range. The increased range and accuracy of the rifle, along with a lifetime of hunting to develop marksmanship, earned minutemen sharpshooters a deadly reputation.

    Ammunition and supplies were in short supply and were constantly being seized by British patrols. As a precaution, these items were often hidden or left behind by minutemen in fields or wooded areas. Other popular concealment methods were to hide items underneath floorboards in houses and barns.

  • 5go

    By the way you think if gun were banned some nut wouldn't find another way to get one.

    Valparaiso police officer's handgun and ammunition were stolen after someone broke into her home late Thursday or early Friday morning.

    Theresa Cox, 46, a patrol officer with the Valparaiso Police Department, told Porter County Sheriff's police someone kicked in the front door and entered her Liberty Township home sometime between 7 p.m. Thursday and 1 a.m. Friday.

    Police found a large LCD television lying on the floor near the front door, along with a Taser cartridge.

    Cox told police her duty belt had been taken from her main bedroom closet. The belt contained her semiautomatic Glock 22 pistol, handcuffs, Taser gun and chemical spray. Three magazines of ammunition also were taken, police said, as well as Cox's duty radio, valued at $1,000.

    The total loss, including the damaged front door, was estimated to be nearly $2,900, police said.

    Police said there are no suspects.

    In searching the home, police found small fibers caught in the main bedroom door jamb and entered the fibers into evidence. Police were unable to obtain fingerprints at the scene but discovered a boot print outside in the mud.

    Cox informed her superiors at the Valparaiso Police Department of the incident.

    Police interviewed neighbors in the area, but no one had observed anything out of the ordinary.

    Another gun in the hands of a criminal thanks to your local police dept.

  • 5go



    BELLEVUE, WA – The Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms today challenged incoming House Judiciary Chairman Rep. John Conyers (D-MI) to “close a real loophole” that seems to be putting quite a few guns on the street, particularly in his own congressional district.

    “Conyers is an avowed anti-gunner who believes only cops should have guns,” observed CCRKBA Chairman Alan Gottlieb. “Well, in the past six months, in and around his hometown of Detroit, police have lost at least five guns, including a submachine gun and an M4 semiautomatic rifle that are still missing. Instead of looking for ways to restrict our gun rights, maybe Mr. Conyers ought to be looking for those missing guns.

    “Of course,” Gottlieb said, “the typical Conyers approach would be to hold every cop in the country responsible and institute some one-size-fits-all regulation for how police take care of their firearms. That would be ridiculous. The overwhelming majority of lawmen and women are responsible with their firearms. So, too, are the majority of gun owners. They’re not criminals and should not be treated like they are, yet gun laws Conyers and his cronies have supported over the years do exactly that. ”

    “For years,” said CCRKBA Executive Director Joe Waldron, “anti-gunners have campaigned against a mythical gun show loophole. A Department of Justice study of state and federal prison inmates found that less than one percent of these criminals got their guns from gun shows, and the anti-gunners know it. But instead of going after criminals, they use the crimes these thugs commit as an excuse to attack the rights of law-abiding gun owners.

    “This campaign against gun shows is a fraud,” Waldron added, “designed only to fool American citizens into believing that something is being done about keeping guns out of the wrong hands. It’s a deplorable charade.”

    “We’ve still got a reward posted for the recovery of anti-gun Seattle Police Chief Gil Kerlikowske’s stolen pistol,” Gottlieb noted. “It was taken from his car, parked on a downtown Seattle street in 2004 while he and his wife were shopping. There have been firearms stolen from SWAT vehicles, guns lost by cops in rest rooms, and yet the gun control crowd insists that the problem is with gun shows and law-abiding gun owners.

    “The only loophole,” Gottlieb said, “lies in the collective imagination of Conyers and his ilk. Unlike them, we would never hold every cop responsible for the lapses of a few, same as we don’t hold all gun owners responsible for crimes committed by armed criminals. Every time one of these thefts happens, it reflects badly on every over-worked, under-appreciated, often under-paid police officer and sheriff’s deputy in the country. Holding all of them responsible is as silly as blaming gun shows and gun owners for this country’s crime problem.”

  • 5go

    I forgot why aren't we banning bombs while were at it.

    ( please answer )

    In November 1995, Ray Lampley, Cecilia Lampley, and John Baird began construction of a bomb with the help of the bomb-making manual entitled "Homemade C-4." When the FBI arrested the conspirators, law enforcement agents recovered the bomb-making manuals Anarchist's Cookbook and Homemade Weapons, in addition to the "Homemade C-4" text, from the Lampley residence.

    Many of these bomb-making instructions are available online. Numerous pages devoted to terror manuals are currently present on the Web, and explosives enthusiasts regularly post information at USENET newsgroups.

    Additionally, some white supremacist pages sites, such as Death 2 ZOG (Zionist Occupation Government), have posted bomb-making instructions. Covered with Nazi and World Church of the Creator symbols, this site urges its readers to "Kill the jew [sic] pig before it's too late" and proclaims its support for "black on black violence." Death 2 ZOG contains downloadable copies of bomb-making manuals such as "Jolly Roger Cookbook," "The Big Book of Mischief" and "Anarchy Cookbook."

    William Powell's legendary Anarchist's Cookbook, first published in 1971, has inspired many Web pages. Though Powell's book has not been available on the Web in its entirety, a number of Web pages contain works named after it, such as "The Anarchist Cookbook IV," otherwise known as the BHU Pyrotechnics Cookbook. Explosive-related sections of this document, which is widely available on the Web, include "Making Plastic Explosives," "Napalm" and "Revised Pipe Bombs

    Numerous pages devoted to terror manuals are currently present on the Web, and explosives enthusiasts regularly post information at USENET newsgroups.

    4.14." "The Anarchy Cookbook IV" also contains instructive information about lock picking, computer "hacking," and robbing Automated Teller Machines.

    Many versions of another popular online manual, the Terrorist's Handbook, include a disclaimer that warns, "don't try anything you find in this document!!! Many of the instructions doesn't [sic] even work." Yet these directions are posted nonetheless, instructing readers how to construct "High Order Explosives" such as "Ammonium Nitrate," "Dynamite," and "TNT" as well as "Molotov Cocktails," "Phone Bombs," and other destructive devices. Significantly, this Handbook also includes a "Checklist for Raids on Labs," concluding that "in the end, the serious terrorist would probably realize that if he/she wishes to make a truly useful explosive, he or she will have to steal the chemicals to make the explosive from a lab."

    According to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, Federal agents investigating at least 30 bombings and four attempted bombings between 1985 and June 1996 recovered bomb-making literature that the suspects had obtained from the Internet. 76 In these investigations, the possession of bomb-making literature has been taken by law enforcement authorities as strong circumstantial evidence that this literature has been used to plan crimes.

    Like other extremist material on the Internet, bomb-making manuals are readily accessible to children. In fact, these tracts have already been accessed by eager, impressionable youngsters. The Washington Post has described discussions among 14-year-olds about "which propellants are best to use, which Web sites have the best recipes and whether tin or aluminum soda cans make better bomb casings." 77 Furthermore, children have used recipes found on the Web to create and detonate bombs. For example, two 15-year-old boys from Orem, Utah, landed in a juvenile-detention center after they constructed a pipe bomb using online instructions. Similarly, three high school students in Ogden, Utah, who ignited a bomb at a Jehovah's Witnesses church later told police they learned how to make the device from a Web page devoted to the Anarchists Cookbook. 78

  • 5go
    who ignited a bomb at a Jehovah's Witnesses church later told police they learned how to make the device from a Web page devoted to the Anarchists Cookbook. 78

    As usual I didn't read it sorry. I didn't see this till I posted it.

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