Special talk?

by NikL 28 Replies latest jw friends

  • NikL
    NikL

    I was just fowarded this from a faithful Dub. It sounds fishy to me, like one of those e mail hoaxes that go around. What do you think?

    Subject: Special Talk on September 30 2001

    Hi, Everyone! We had a special talk today, and I just
    wanted to share some of the key points. This may
    ramble on a bit, because I am writing as I remember,
    and my notes are never in order, either.

    We had a talk given by a speaker from Brooklyn Bethel.
    He has been at Bethel since the 1950's. Originally
    slated to be given in August, this brother had to go
    abroad for several weeks, and the talk was postponed.
    Are we ever glad of that! A new talk was written, and
    given, and words cannot express my gratitude to the
    governing body for allowing him to come down to NC.
    The talk was given in a public park in Greensboro,
    outside (everyone brought chairs, lunch and
    blankets)and six congregations were officially
    invited, with others allowed to come, including the
    public. 1067 people showed! I got there about five
    minutes before it started, and there was a "sea" of
    people already there. I was in the last row when it
    started. By the time it ended, there were 5-10 rows
    behind me!

    Point discussed:

    1. Islam is now larger than Christendom. According to
    the mankind search for God book, the inside map shows
    the amount of people in major religions. The numbers
    for the Islamic religion is now much larger. So all
    this time that we were looking at Christendom to be
    this large factor, it could very well be the Islamic
    groups instead. They are so large, and with all that
    has happened in the past three weeks, the religion has
    aggravated the King of the North and the Wild Beast.
    They will be looking for a way to rid themselves of a
    large group.

    2. We were urged to read Ezekiel 38 and 39.

    3. The end is rushing up to meet us. The signs are all
    there. After a disaster, people have all these
    feelings. When it reaches anger, that is when to watch
    around us. This is when action is likely to be taken.

    4. No neutrality or pacifism will be allowed by
    governments. They will insist we take a side, and when
    we don't, they can use this as an excuse to take
    action against us. We could be termed a 'dangerous
    sect.' We can look for all property owned by the
    watchtower society to be seized. Branches, land,
    farms, kingdom halls. They might use the excuse that
    they need the land to fund wars or something of that
    possessions. Money, property, things, will be
    meaningless to us. Only our heavenly treasures will
    have value. Some of us may have to find shelter with
    other witnesses.

    5. We will have no legal rights to speak of. Going to
    court, the police, etc. Any rights gained by us to
    date will not exist.

    The bible does not tell us how far things will go-
    only that we will wait on God to take action.

    The Kings of the North and South prophesies are
    coming true. They are very important to us, even
    though we don't know who the king of the north is yet.
    He also brought out that we don't understand
    everything yet, and may not have complete
    understanding before this all occurs. If I did not
    interpret this comment correctly I apologize. This is
    how I heard it. It does make sense. All through
    history, many things were understood afterward.
    Hindsight, so to speak.

    8. Gog of Magog is also important. He will be spewing
    his rage, because of the witnesses of Jehovah. He will
    do anything he can to destroy us. Daniel 11:45.

    . This will be worse than any war ever fought on
    earth before.

    Other scriptures mentioned in connection to these
    points: Eze 38:10, 13, 16, 22; Isaih 30:15; Zachariah
    14: 12, 13

    10. No matter what happens to us during this time, we
    can take comfort that God is with us. Romans 8:31.
    There are more with us than are with them. Psalms
    56:11, 118:16; 16:8. God will not save each and every
    one of his witnesses from death, but we have too much
    value to him for him to let us all be exterminated.

    11. Apostates are rampant, (Matthew 24:24)waiting for
    a time when they can publicly denounce God's people.
    That doesn't mean they are not active now. They are
    publishing materials and speaking loudly. But it will
    get worse. And as Jesus and Paul pointed out, there
    will be traitors in the congregation. Probably more
    than we have thought there would be. Because of this
    we need to be cautious- Never let the right hand
    know...And as today's watchtower put it, cautious as
    serpents and gentle as doves. There will be no need
    for some to know everything, especially the
    government.

    12. Physical signs. Matthew 24:29. These will happen.
    The celestial signs will occur( i.e. sun darkened,
    moon not there), and in such a manner as to leave
    people in no doubt as to who is causing them. These
    will be in conjunction with his vengeance on those
    persecuting his people. Zephaniah 1:17, 18. How can
    they hurt us if they have no eyes to see us? How can
    they pull a trigger if they have no arms? As Matthew
    24 points out, (verses 30-31)there will also be an
    angelic presence in the heavens- a visible one. He
    in the heavens, sword drawn, with the angels behind
    him. THESE SIGNS WILL TAKE PLACE.

    13. There will probably be a time when the preaching
    work will slow drastically. Our main focus may be on
    keeping alive and enduring.

    In regard to September 11, 2001:

    This is the opportunity to comfort people. The
    brothers in NY are using bibles and brochures, and
    leaving book bags home. They have been asking people
    how they feel, and listening to whatever they say.
    Don't shy away from the vengeance issue. Even God
    allows for Justice. Just listen to them. As Luke 4,
    puts it, we are to bind up the broken hearted. The
    society has provided tools, water and food to workers
    an volunteers, and housed 50 victims after the
    tragedy.

    If people ask why we don't wear a symbol, we can
    tell them what we have done. If asked why we aren't
    publicizing this fact, we can tell them that God sees
    our good works, and thats all the praise and
    recognition we need.

    3. 1 brother confirmed dead, 14 missing and presumed
    dead, some elders from the Bronx.

    4. Read experience "witnessing at ground zero". If you
    have not received this, let me know and I will forward
    it to you.

    A brother was working in a NY restaurant. The
    owners were going to have candlit vigil for all
    patrons on a certain date. On the day, they asked the
    brother to lead them in prayer. The brother prayed to
    Jehovah, asking him to provide to comfort to all
    effected by this tragedy, and endurance to those
    suffering because of it. Afterwards, the owners
    thanked him for his wonderful words, and the
    restaurant patrons did as well.

    Well, this is all I have. I am sure I will remember
    more later, and that other people will have notes.

    I feel so privileged to have been able to be there and
    seen the great multitudes serving God. Oh yes, he also
    urged all who were not yet baptized to do so
    IMMEDIATELY, at once, and those who were visiting to
    speak with a witness about a bible study, and all who
    were disfellowshipped to take the steps needed to
    return to the truth.

    I hope these notes help and encourage you to do your
    utmost, since the end is coming faster than we can
    imagine.

  • messenger
    messenger

    I will email a copy of this to Pat Robertson and Jerry Falwell I am sure they are looking for some new angles to profiteer off the scare of the WTC disaster.

  • RedhorseWoman
    RedhorseWoman

    I wouldn't be at all surprised if it were, in fact, real. When world events don't match what the WTBTS has predicted, "new light" is declared and the events are massaged to fit the long-range view.

    I'll bet that young brothers all over the US are gearing up for prison terms so that they can loudly proclaim their "neutrality".

    I also wouldn't be surprised if many long-time Dubs are squirreling away provisions and literature in their attics waiting for the "persecution" to begin (I know someone who did exactly this shortly before 1975).

  • Pathofthorns
    Pathofthorns

    These sorts of talks given when a branch rep, or zone overseer or GB or missionary comes to town always seem to be full of speculation as the speakers take liberties that would get your rank and file disfellowshipped.

    It's funny how a talk here or there can send rumours through the whole organization that so and so from brooklyn said 'the end is any day now'.

    The Society is very sneaky in permitting this. It allows speculation to run wild without the leaders ever being called to task because things weren't officially stated in a WT magazine. I can only imagine what was said at these talks prior to 1975.

    I see they are still beating the King of the N and S prophecy to death, but covering their asses saying we might not know until AFTER it is fulfilled. Like what is the purpose of the prophecy then if you only know after?

    The sept 11 tragedy was a horrible incident. But life goes on and tragedy after tragedy fades away throughout the life of ever human. Unfortunately for Witnesses they never see that and each new tragedy they find themselves taken in, hoping for that elusive end that never comes.

    Path

  • willy_think
    willy_think

    i believe this is real. it is what it is.

    We can look for all property owned by the
    watchtower society to be seized. Branches, land,
    farms, kingdom halls. They might use the excuse that
    they need the land to fund wars or something of that
    possessions.

    time to hide the assets. but would that be the right thing to do?
    There will be no need
    for some to know everything, especially the
    government.[\QUOTE]
    well if you put it like that i guess it is right

    [QUOTE]Apostates are rampant, (Matthew 24:24)waiting for
    a time when they can publicly denounce God's people.
    That doesn't mean they are not active now. They are
    publishing materials and speaking loudly. But it will
    get worse. And as Jesus and Paul pointed out, there
    will be traitors in the congregation[\QUOTE]
    traitors to who?? God,lambs,or the corporation?

    [QUOTE]There will probably be a time when the preaching
    work will slow drastically. Our main focus may be on
    keeping alive and enduring.[\QUOTE]
    Ah, that will explain the falling numbers

    [QUOTE]This is the opportunity to comfort people. The
    brothers in NY are using bibles and brochures, and
    leaving book bags home[\QUOTE]
    here is the sales leason.

    if this is not real i'll eat my hat.
    it stinks like "corporate interest" propanda.

    [QUOTE]the ideas and opinions expressed in this post do not necessarily represent those of the WTB&TS inc. or any of it's subsidiary corporations.

  • RationalWitness
    RationalWitness

    Is Floyd Kite still running loose? (Is he still even alive?) Sounds like 1975 all over again.

    Been there, done that.

    Rational

  • Makena1
    Makena1

    Rational - was F. Kite the one that developed that talk in the 70's about the "Great Earthquake that will literally shake the entire earth"?

  • Escargot
    Escargot

    Oh yes, I remember that talk. Put the fear of God into me........
    Nicto burada clatu........

    Erasmus (1520 AD): "If we want truth, every person ought to be free to speak what they think without fear."

  • Moridin
    Moridin

    I wonder what kind of talks they had back when Pearl Harbor was bombed. Was the end so close then too? On another point did you notice that they said the King of the South has made the King of the North angry, except further down they say they don't know who the King of the North is.

  • metatron
    metatron

    Pearl Harbor reaction? What do you expect from this
    pack of liars? They spoke of Armageddon being "months"
    away - and then blamed the rank and file for getting their
    hopes up as WW2 ended. I believe the "Consolation"
    showed Hitler and Catholics in a conga line going into
    Armageddon. It's a pity so much of that material isn't
    available - it was really funny!

    metatron

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