The vote is in: SCIENCE vs RELIGION......who won?

by Terry 171 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Terry
    Terry

    History has demonstrated:

    Religion is following orders by implicitly trusting someone or something.

    Science asks questions.

    Religion purports to answer questions.

    Science seeks to disprove its own conclusions.

    Religion seeks to reinforce its own dogma.

    Science is error-correction toward adjusting for realities as they unfold.

    Religion internalizes against reality by mocking up a substitute.

    Science is the most recent development of the human mind. Technology proves science to be successful in advancing human progress.

    Religion disdains human progress and waits for the end. Religion speaks incantations over real wounds.

    Science gives us medicine, understanding of DNA and the human genome and a view to perfecting the human condition.

    Religion puts down all things human as reprehensible, unworthy and corrupt.

    Science must present a united front by peer review.

    Religion is divided into warring camps within the same religion and denominations unable to agree and unwilling to bend.

    Science gives us hospitals with MRI, X-ray, transplants, chemotherapy, innoculations, nutrition, therapy and a vast array of specilization.

    Religion expects us to die and tells us we deserve it.

    The Dark Ages is the time in which Christianity, Islam and Judaism had an opportunity to demonstrate for all time what the rule of theology would do for (or to) mankind. Witches were burned, scholars were skinned alive, thinkers were tortured, books were banned and empires were toppled over the mere idea of orthodoxy.

    Science is the progeny of Aristotle, Galileo, Newton, Einstein and other minds who dared to think.

    Religion is the progeny of obsessive-compulsive dictators who stone children to death, dominate women into submission and declare original-thinking to be heresy deserving of death.

    You can argue about God all you want but history has already demonstrated clearly which side brings benefits to mankind and which side keeps humanity chained in darkness.

    The believer is not a voice. The believer is an echo.

    Superstitions have had their day.

  • 5go
    5go

    I hate to burst your bubble, but if it wasn't for muslim scholars studing their religion we wouldn't have science they came up with the idea of peer review which is what science is. They chose that rather than a pope like person decreeing beliefs.

    By the way the I am athiest.

  • Terry
    Terry

    I hate to burst your bubble, but if it wasn't for muslim scholars studing their religion we wouldn't have science they came up with the idea of peer review which is what science is. They chose that rather than a pope like person decreeing beliefs.

    By the way the I am athiest.

    What is an "athiest"?

    Muslims found Aristotle's works and were astonished by the philosopher's invention of logic. Using Aristotle as a springboard, the renewal of creative curiousity and discovery commenced anew.

    See below a review of ARISTOTLE'S CHILDREN

    During the mid-twelfth century, Europe huddled under the cloak of the Dark Ages until a group of scholars came together to translate Aristotle’s great works from Arabic into Latin. These scholars were Muslims, Jews and Christians working together and determined to breathe new life into the teachings of Aristotle, despite the opposition and fear of the Catholic Church. So controversial was this event that it caused riots at major European universities and sent the religious establishment reeling as a whole new concept of the natural world and the soul of man spread like wildfire.

    Richard E. Rubenstein's Aristotle's Children reads like a history book and a fast-paced thriller put together as it chronicles the battle of traditional religious doctrine with erupting modernism set against the stage of the High Middle Ages, and developing once Aristotle’s writings were openly accepted by many religious scholars upon learning that all of Aristotle’s surviving works had been translated into Arabic for study and debate. The author, an expert on religious history and conflict and a professor at George Mason University, takes us on a long but exciting journey as we watch this discovery, and rediscovery, of Aristotle’s philosophies regarding the way the world works, cause and effect, and the emphasis on reason over faith. As the religious scholars from the Muslim, Jewish and Christian worlds dared examine and embrace these concepts, and in the process challenge those of the Catholic Church, there was a new birth of ideas and possibilities that literally changed the face of Western religious tradition, eventually culminating in the great work of Thomas Aquinas, who based his arguments of God’s existence on Aristotle’s earlier concepts of an Unmoved Mover and First Cause.

    The story of Aristotle’s influence on the major Western religions is an eye-opener for readers unfamiliar with European history. Though the book focuses mainly on the effects on Christianity, all three Western religions were immensely changed and challenged by the writings of the fourth-century B.C. philosopher. In fact, the main word that comes to mind while reading this book is “illuminating", and the reader truly will be illuminated once they understand, as the author makes clear, the depth and breadth of Aristotle’s influence on the traditions we have come to know of today, and of the great struggle in making that influence into a vision that could, and would, survive religious intolerance, violence and suppression.

    Think of Aristotle's Children as a lost-and-found story about a great thinker who was set aside for awhile, only to be rediscovered during a bleak and violent period of history. Today’s religions still bear the effects of Aristotle’s teachings and their incorporation into doctrines once set in stone. We can thank that coalition of brave scholars and their bold foresight, for had they not shed the light of truth on the teachings of a great mind, and made those teachings a subject of continuous debate and inquiry, we might still be living in some very dark ages.

  • needproof
    needproof

    Science is only just beginning to catch up with mythologies which have been around for thousands of years. Im not talking mainstream religion either.

  • kid-A
    kid-A

    "I hate to burst your bubble, but if it wasn't for muslim scholars studing their religion we wouldn't have science they came up with the idea of peer review which is what science is."

    This is completely wrong. Islamic civillization had nothing to do with the modern practice of peer review:

    see http://www.designinference.com/documents/05.02.resp_to_wein.htm

    "One final word about peer-review. As Frank Tipler pointed out to me, the idea of peer-review as the touchstone for truth and scientific merit is actually a post Second World War invention. In physics, peer-reviewed journals were not the norm until after 1950. In Germany, during the "Beautiful Years" -- the period when quantum mechanics was being invented in the 1920s -- one of the leading German physics journals, Zeitschrift fur Physik, was not peer-reviewed: any member of the German Physical Society could publish there by simply submitting the paper. So, if you had a really wild idea, all you had to do to get it published was ask a member of the GPS to submit it for you. (If you were a member, you could of course submit for yourself.) Heisenberg published his paper on the Uncertainty Principle in this journal, and Friedmann published his paper on the Friedmann universe (now the standard cosmological model) in this journal. No peer-review. Lots of brilliant physics."

    Furthermore, it is common misconception that Islamic scholars protected the ancient Greek scientific texts during the dark ages. While they did preserve some of these texts, many more were carefully saved by Irish monks, including many of the ancient Greek and Roman scientific treatises. In general, Islamic contributions to modern scientific thought are HIGHLY overrated.

  • JamesThomas
    JamesThomas

    When I was a religionist it offered me a very diminutive and encapsulated "reality" and identity in which a bastardized sense of comfort, "knowing" and self righteousness was derived. Void of the walls created by beliefs in tiny gods, there is an opportunity to step out and meet with the infinite vastness of raw reality and investigate into our own immediate and bottomless sense of existence. However, more often than not such boundlessness is too threatening and scary -- and there are thought-patterns already set -- and so we find ourselves once again imprisoned within our mind; only this time our warm capsule being some other belief system perhaps political or even scientific in nature. What have we really done, other than change the pictures on our jail cell walls?

    What is life, what is real when no religious, social or scientific beliefs, definitions and assumptions are applied? What exists outside the mind? Who/what, am I, really? Perhaps, the most significant scientific breakthroughs are found in questioning and investigating into our own true identity, first.

    j

  • Warlock
    Warlock

    Who won? Neither.

    Both are fooled by randomness, and they don't know it.

    Warlock

  • Terry
    Terry
    In general, Islamic contributions to modern scientific thought are HIGHLY overrated.

    Here is what I find very interesting.

    The Greeks invented the framework of logic under Aristotle. The far East never had logic or Aristotle since Alexander's conquests stopped at Persia. The east continued in mystic thought, philosophy and religious foundational thought.

    What is the demonstrated results?

    The Far East greatly lagged behind in almost every way imaginable. The sleeping giant of China today is stuck in the late 18th century in a desperate effort at catching up with smokestack Industrialization and none of the benefits of hindsight. Chinese society went from feudalism to Communism with surprising ease as millions died (and continue to atrophy.)

    The Muslim world fell in love with Aristotle and then turned their collective back on the advancement logical thought could bring to their people. The contrast between Arabs as a people and a nation (and religion) and the logical, scientific world of technology is striking. They are largely a dependant Stone-Age people clinging to Theology and societal backwardness through gritted teeth. They seek through radicals to obliterate the proof of their own failure and backwardness by destroying the symbols of Western Scientific Prowess by blowing things ups (including their own most devout devotees.)

    Logical it isn't.

  • Terry
    Terry

    Who won? Neither.

    Both are fooled by randomness, and they don't know it.

    Warlock

    How silly.

    Religion didn't give you the car you drive or the refrigerator that preserves your food or the computer you're typing your luddite view on!

    You are confusing the inability of people to embrace rational co-operation with the array of choices they face.

    You certainly benefit from science in every moment of your existence. You sleep on a posturepedic mattress instead of a clump of hay. You turn the tap in your bathroom for water and flush your toilet rather than splashing in a nearby river and squatting in the bushes. You have nearby grocery stores filled with a dizzying variety of foods and frills and don't have to toil by the sweat of your brow to harvest a crop in your own backyard.

    Your commentary is ludicrous and unthinking. But, you know that already.

  • Warlock
    Warlock

    You are confusing the inability of people to embrace rational co-operation with the array of choices they face.

    You certainly benefit from science in every moment of your existence. You sleep on a posturepedic mattress instead of a clump of hay. You turn the tap in your bathroom for water and flush your toilet rather than splashing in a nearby river and squatting in the bushes. You have nearby grocery stores filled with a dizzying variety of foods and frills and don't have to toil by the sweat of your brow to harvest a crop in your own backyard.

    All because I happen to RANDOMLY be born in this country at this point in time.

    Warlock

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