WT BLOOD GUILT EXPOSED TO THE WORLD

by DannyHaszard 185 Replies latest watchtower medical

  • Gill
    Gill

    Thanks, Danny!

    As an adult, of course, she can decide for herself if she want to accept blood transfusion BUT, what if the organization that told her it was against God's Law to accept blood transfusion, had simply twisted the Bible to suit itself and provoke such hardships and persecutions for its followers?

    Heaven forbid!

    If such was found and then PROVED to be the case then thousands upon thousands upon thousands of Jehovah's Witnesses have died unnecessarily on the Watchtower Altar!

    But as long as religious belief, understanding, and interpretation remains the right of any 'group' such sacrifices continue!

    But....if it could be proved that the Watchtower DELIBERATELY misinterpreted not only the scriptures but medical advice and such a knowledge became public......now that really would be an interesting scenario!

    I hope this poor misguided woman survives her ordeal! I and many others on this board were once in a similar position to the one she is in today!

    I hope she pulls through DESPITE the Watchtower LIES!!

  • DannyHaszard
    DannyHaszard

    Easy one step register on comment box with word limit keep it short & to the point Faith's ban on tranfusions pushes doctors to innovate
    San Francisco Chronicle, USA - 1 hour ago
    As a Jehovah's Witness, LeRoy Grant believes the Bible forbids blood transfusions. He felt he could not compromise his beliefs. "If I violate God's law on ...

    Faith's ban on tranfusions pushes doctors to innovate

    Matthai Chakko Kuruvila, Chronicle Religion Writer mkuruvila@sfchronicle.com Friday, July 20, 2007

    Surgeons worked Thursday to save a 74-year-old Oakland man's life -- and abide by his religious conviction -- as they performed emergency open-heart surgery without giving him a blood transfusion. As a Jehovah's Witness, LeRoy Grant believes the Bible forbids blood transfusions. He felt he could not compromise his beliefs. "If I violate God's law on blood simply to gain a few more days -- or years -- of life, I would be dead spiritually, and my relationship with God would be damaged beyond repair," Grant said recently at his home. Such a belief once meant almost certain death, but Grant was recuperating late Thursday after the four-hour procedure. Medical technology has advanced to the point that many doctors believe surgeries without blood transfusions should become the norm. The so-called "bloodless" surgeries use drugs to raise blood counts before an operation and limit blood loss during it. A "cell-saver" machine also allows physicians to collect pooling blood during surgery, wash it and infuse it back into the body intravenously. "There's no conflict between the avoidance of blood and an excellent patient outcome: They go hand in hand," said Dr. Lawrence Goodnough, a national expert on blood transfusions who is director of transfusion services at Stanford University Medical Center and a professor at the university's medical school. A once-archaic belief has developed an ally in cutting-edge medicine. Doctors say the faith's fundamentalism has encouraged the advances by showing how patients can survive with less blood than previously thought. More than 100 hospitals around the nation, as well as Duke and Johns Hopkins universities, have bloodless medical programs that train everyone from technicians to nurses to doctors. But in the Bay Area, Grant had found himself in a medical no-man's land since being told in April that he needed to have surgery or die. Grant had scrambled for approvals from his insurance company, individual surgeons and the cadre of other medical specialists needed for such an operation. He was set to meet with doctors at Stanford Medical Center this week, but had to be rushed to the San Ramon Regional Medical Center on Thursday with severe breathing problems, said his wife, Evelyn. Grant still has to avoid infection as he recovers from the surgery to fix a faulty heart valve, which had caused his blood to have less oxygen than needed. He often labored to breathe. In six months, Grant said he had lost 52 pounds, leaving him at 154 pounds. Jehovah's Witnesses cite several Bible verses to support their beliefs on transfusions, most notably Acts 15:29, which urges believers to abstain from blood. The prohibition on blood transfusions includes strategies such as storing one's own blood. "Blood removed from an individual is to be poured out or discarded," said J.R. Brown, a spokesperson for the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, the Brooklyn headquarters for Jehovah's Witnesses. Goodnough, the Stanford medical center blood transfusions director, said there are a number of advantages to bloodless surgeries. New pathogens historically have entered blood banks well before tests were developed to detect them. HIV and hepatitis C are two examples in recent decades. "The good news is that blood (in blood banks) has never been safer," said Goodnough, who like other doctors interviewed for this story is not a Jehovah's Witness. "But I'm very concerned about emerging pathogens." Goodnough said that more hospitals should have bloodless medical programs, particularly in a world concerned with disasters and terrorism. In the case of a pandemic of a disease such as SARS or avian flu, the entire blood supply could be crippled. "How are you going to deliver health care without blood?" he said. "The answer is a bloodless medical program. You can't jump-start that in the middle of a catastrophe." Despite new medical advancements that allow room for long-held beliefs, some former Jehovah's Witnesses say the prohibition on transfusions goes too far. Amanda Hill said her parents signed liability waivers to prevent her from receiving a transfusion when she was 15 and undergoing a tonsillectomy. It terrified her that her parents would rather see her dead than break a rule. She said her parents, like other Jehovah's Witnesses, thought that death wasn't necessarily bad because believers are resurrected to live in an eternal paradise on Earth after Armageddon. "They see the world as a horrible, horrible place to live," said Hill, 34, an Oakland resident who said she was kicked out of her parents' home at age 16 when her parents discovered that she was a sexually active lesbian. "If the child dies, it's almost like you're doing them a favor." Other former Witnesses say the religion exacts too much control over believers and powerfully dictates belief. Witnesses are taught to socially segregate themselves from all non-Jehovah's Witnesses, and those who leave or violate rules are ostracized, leaving them with little or no support. Critics say that makes belief a matter of force, not faith. Brown, the Jehovah's Witness spokesperson, said that out of the roughly 7 million Jehovah's Witnesses worldwide, roughly 60,000 Witnesses are "disfellowshiped" every year. Nearly half try to make their way back. Willingly accepting a blood transfusion and not repenting is cause for being "disfellowshiped." Grant, who leads a West Oakland congregation, was not raised a Jehovah's Witness. He remembers being appalled when he heard in 1962 that the group did not accept blood transfusions. "There's no way you could tell me I can't give my children blood," he said. "I stopped them from coming to my home." But his wife joined a Witness Bible study not long after. After several years, he followed. In 1969, at age 36, Grant was baptized at a regional convention at Dodger Stadium in Los Angeles. "Obeying God's word since I came into the truth has given me the greatest peace of mind because I've seen God's blessings," he said. This article appeared on page A - 1 of the San Francisco Chronicle
  • Gill
    Gill

    This story may well have had a very different ending if the 'planned' surgery had not gone so well and the man bled out and died. In the end, as good as bloodless surgery really is, which of course it is good, there is no emergency plan or back up should the patient bleed out and things don't go to plan. The surgeon's hands are literally tied in saving his patient.

    What is so funny about the WT policy in allowing blood salvage etc is that it stretched the meaning and imagination when it comes to 'blood that leaves the body must be discarded'. Yet the stretch of imagination cannot go so far as to see that if blood is supposed to represent life and yet it becomes MORE important than life itself something has gone wrong.

    It is as if the 'crown' represents the Queen of England. If the Queen of England fell into the sea whilst wearing her crown, it is as if her rescuers go overboard to rescue the 'Crown' but don't bother with the Queen! JWs just can't seem to see that!

  • DannyHaszard
    DannyHaszard

    This story may well have had a very different ending if the 'planned' surgery had not gone so well and the man bled out and died. In the end, as good as bloodless surgery really is, which of course it is good, there is no emergency plan or back up should the patient bleed out and things don't go to plan. The surgeon's hands are literally tied in saving his patient.

    What is so funny about the WT policy in allowing blood salvage etc is that it stretched the meaning and imagination when it comes to 'blood that leaves the body must be discarded'. Yet the stretch of imagination cannot go so far as to see that if blood is supposed to represent life and yet it becomes MORE important than life itself something has gone wrong.

    It is as if the 'crown' represents the Queen of England. If the Queen of England fell into the sea whilst wearing her crown, it is as if her rescuers go overboard to rescue the 'Crown' but don't bother with the Queen! JWs just can't seem to see that!

    Easy one step register on comment box with word limit keep it short & to the point Faith's ban on tranfusions pushes doctors to innovate
    San Francisco Chronicle , USA - 1 hour ago
    As a Jehovah's Witness, LeRoy Grant believes the Bible forbids blood transfusions. He felt he could not compromise his beliefs. "If I violate God's law on ...

  • DannyHaszard
    DannyHaszard

    Was reposted again on news wire

    Easy one step register on comment box with word limit keep it short & to the point

    Faith's ban on tranfusions spurs 'bloodless' surgeries please post you comments
    San Francisco Chronicle, USA - 36 minutes ago
    Jehovah's Witnesses cite several Bible verses to support their beliefs on transfusions, most notably Acts 15:29, which urges believers to abstain from blood ...

  • DannyHaszard
    DannyHaszard

    Jehovahs accused over gran's death
    ic Wales, United Kingdom - 15 minutes ago
    by Ben Glaze, South Wales Echo A JEHOVAH’S Witness died after refusing a blood transfusion because it was against her religion. Margaret Rose Cornelius ... Jehovahs accused over gran's death

    Jul 20 2007
    by Ben Glaze, South Wales Echo

    ben.glaze@wme.co.ukwrite reporter

    A JEHOVAH’S Witness died after refusing a blood transfusion because it was against her religion. Margaret Rose Cornelius, 72 and a grandmother of seven, died from a heart attack after a routine hip operation at the Royal Glamorgan Hospital, Llantrisant. Her daughter Gaynor Campbell, wife of Motorhead guitarist Phil Anthony Campbell, today claimed faith elders had visited Margaret in hospital to ensure she would stick to the religion’s strict ban on receiving blood transfusions. Gaynor, of Llantwit Fardre, near Pontypridd, believes she may have been able to persuade her mother to accept blood had religious leaders not intervened. She and Phil were on holiday in Penzance when she received a chilling phone call. “My son called to say, ‘You better get back, Nan’s refusing blood,’ said Gaynor, 47. “She was very frightened. I thought the elders wanted to see someone who was ill in hospital, I thought she’d have her friends around her.” Gaynor said elders even called her to check when she was returning from Cornwall, and believes they visited Margaret as Gaynor and Phil, 46, drove back to South Wales. When she arrived at the hospital, Gaynor tried desperately to persuade medical staff to give her mother the potentially-lifesaving transfusion. Margaret resisted but Gaynor believes her judgement may have been affected by pain-killing morphine. “I think I should have been able to make the decision for her,” said Gaynor, who lost her father 16 years ago and her brother Mark two years ago. “The doctors wouldn’t listen to me. I was saying, ‘I’ll take the blame, just give her blood.’ Mum was brought up as a Jehovah’s Witness and it was in her brain. It’s like she had been brainwashed.” Margaret was admitted to hospital in January after falling in her kitchen at her home in Vale Gardens, Graigwen, Pontypridd, and cracking her hip. She underwent an operation but complications during her recovery meant a low red blood cell count was straining her heart and she needed a transfusion. Margaret later suffered a heart attack and died. “All she thought was, ‘If I have blood I’m not going to be resurrected.’ “She had been a Jehovah’s Witness all her life. She had deep beliefs but never really preached it. As far as I’m concerned, it’s a cult religion. I find it weird – but they were her friends,” said Gaynor. Gaynor and Phil, who have three sons – Todd, 24, Dane, 20, and 16-year-old Tyler – met representatives of Pontypridd and Rhondda NHS Trust in March to discuss concerns over Margaret’s treatment. Fighting back tears, Gaynor today said the pain of her mother’s death was still raw. She said: “She loved life. We all miss her terribly.” ben.glaze@wme.co.uk
  • DannyHaszard
    DannyHaszard

    Jehovahs accused over gran's death
    ic Wales, United Kingdom - 15 minutes ago
    by Ben Glaze, South Wales Echo A JEHOVAH’S Witness died after refusing a blood transfusion because it was against her religion. Margaret Rose Cornelius ... http://www.topix.net/who/jehovahs-witnesses/2007/07/icwales-jehovahs-accused-over-grans-death posted at topix join in with your comments no registration needed

  • DannyHaszard
    DannyHaszard

    MOTÖRHEAD Guitarist's Mother-In-Law Dies After Refusing Blood...
    Blabbermouth.net, NY - 29 minutes ago
    icWales reports that MOTÖRHEAD guitarist Phil Campbell's mother-in-law died after refusing a blood transfusion because it was against her religion. MOTÖRHEAD guitarist Phil Campbell's mother-in-law died after refusing a blood transfusion because it was against her religion.

    Margaret Rose Cornelius, 72 and a grandmother of seven, died from a heart attack after a routine hip operation at the Royal Glamorgan Hospital, Llantrisant.

    Her daughter Gaynor Campbell, wife of the MOTÖRHEAD guitarist, today claimed Jehovah's Witness faith elders had visited Margaret in hospital to ensure she would stick to the religion's strict ban on receiving blood transfusions.

    Gaynor, of Llantwit Fardre, near Pontypridd, believes she may have been able to persuade her mother to accept blood had religious leaders not intervened. Jehovahs accused over gran's death
    ic Wales, United Kingdom - 1 hour ago
    by Ben Glaze, South Wales Echo A JEHOVAH’S Witness died after refusing a blood transfusion because it was against her religion. Margaret Rose Cornelius ... http://forums.icwales.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=10927#10927 Danny has a forum thread going join in http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article/comments/view?f=/c/a/2007/07/20/MNGT7R3OH41.DTL your blood comments here need support also.

  • DannyHaszard
    DannyHaszard

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/11/138843/1.ashx up at it's own thread (As I type this the Watchtower cult is getting slammed on all the news wires) BOLD TESTIMONY I was brought up in the faith but despise it
    ic Wales, United Kingdom - 1 hour ago
    Both my parents were devout Jehovah’s Witnesses and throughout my childhood I was indoctrinated by the faith’s beliefs and behaviours by being excluded from ... I was brought up in the faith but despise it

    Jul 27 2007
    by Our Correspondent, South Wales Echo
    I WAS sorry to read of 72-year-old grandmother Margaret Cornelius who died after refusing a blood transfusion because she was a Jehovah’s Witness. Both my parents were devout Jehovah’s Witnesses and throughout my childhood I was indoctrinated by the faith’s beliefs and behaviours by being excluded from normal contact with anyone outside the faith and by being made to attend the religious meetings at least three times each week. I have never celebrated a birthday or received a Christmas present. I was not allowed to compete in competitive sports and actively prevented from obtaining a normal education and career because to do so I would be rejecting the teaching and a career would make me materialistic. If I had needed a life-saving blood transfusion there is no question my parents would have denied this medical intervention and I would now be dead. I was also forced by my parents to call on people in their own homes to inform them of Jehovah Witnesses’ beliefs. Even while this high-pressure mind-control and manipulation was being carried out I knew their teachings and behaviours were very hypocritical and abusive. The question of the article was: did poor Margaret Cornelius needlessly die because she was fooled by an evil mind-control cult? I would reply “yes”, absolutely, and I would go as far as to say that when a person dies in these circumstances I now view this as institutional murder. Benn Powell Pilton Vale, Malpas, Newport

    http://forums.icwales.co.uk/viewtopic.php?p=10927#10927 Join in at the newspaper's forum

  • Gill
    Gill

    Wow! He's certainly not pulling any punches there!

    This is another tragedy brought on by the WTBTS cult! What a loss to her children and grandchildren!

    We found out not so long ago that when an elderly JW relative was in a similar situation four years ago, and was bleeding out during a hip replacement surgery, our JW family permitted blood transfusion and the elderly person lived......however, they never told anyone, especially the elders. They felt able to do this because no Elders or Hospital Liason Committee members were at the hospital and no one ever found out what happened.

    It certainly would help the situation if hospitals understood the pressure that HLC members can put on JWs who are in this sort of situation, to continue to refuse blood transfusion and save their own lives.

    HLC Members SHOULD BE BANNED FROM HOSPITALS BY LAW!

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