by Junction-Guy 16 Replies latest jw friends

  • Junction-Guy

    Well I know very little about Scientology, but from what I have seen on this board, alot of XJW's feel it is even worse than JW's. What is it about Scientology that makes it seem worse? The reason I ask is I was passing through Cincinnati the other day returning home from Dayton and there was a Scientology church in downtown Cincinnati. I almost had the urge to pull over and warn those people, but in actuality I know very little about them and would have probably lost an argument with them. What is it about Scientology that is worse than JW's? All I know is they are a money grubbing scam, but do they have a list as long as the JW's do' and do nots"?

  • Jourles

    May I suggest that you watch the South Park episode on Scientology?

    Wikipedia has a good article on that episode as well.

  • Justahuman24

    They have weird beliefs. They belief that the universe was created by aliens, I think. Lots of famous people are Scientologists. John Travolta, Tom Cruise, etc. They also ask for lots of money and prohibit the taking of medicine and psychological/psychiatric therapy if someone gets sick. justahuman - but supernonetheless

  • deaconbluez

    Well, from my very limited knowledge of the religion, it seems that Scientologists all believe that they, individually, are gods of some sort.

    I mean their belief system is very focused on self, and attaining some kind of greater power from within.

    I guess that is how celebrities embrace it so easily.

  • Gopher

    For some reason, the scene from the 1980 comedy movie "Airplane" comes to mind. Rex Kramer (portrayed by Robert Stack) comes upon some pesky sales people (zealots) in the airport terminal:

    Zealot5 : Excuse me, we'd like you to have this flower ( Kramer
    punches the man )
    Zealot6 : Excuse me sir, would you . . . ( Kramer pushes him out
    of the way )
    Zealot7 : Donations for the Reverend Moon? ( Kramer punches him )
    Zealot8 : Jews for Jesus? ( Crack ! ) Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
    Zealot9 : Read about Jehovah's Witnesses? ( Kramer kicks him )
    Zealot10 : How about Buddhism? ( Whack! )
    Zealot11 : Help Jerry's kids? ( punch! )
    Zealot12 :Scientologyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy? (swings him around)
    Zealot13 : Avoid nuclear power? ( Bap ! Bop ! )
  • deaconbluez

    From Wikipedia:

    Basic Scientology beliefs:

  • A person is an immortal spiritual being (termed a thetan) who possesses a mind and a body.
  • The thetan has lived through many past lives and will continue to live beyond the death of the body.
  • Through the Scientology process of "auditing", one can free oneself of "engrams" and "implants" to reach the state of "Clear", and after that, the state of "Operating Thetan". Each state is said to represent recovering the native spiritual abilities of the individual, and to confer dramatic mental and physical benefits.
  • A person is basically good, but becomes "aberrated" by moments of pain and unconsciousness in his or her life.
  • What is true for you is what you have observed yourself. No beliefs should be forced as "true" on anyone. Thus, the tenets of Scientology are expected to be tested and seen to either be true or not by Scientology practitioners.
  • Psychiatry and psychology are evil and abusive practices.
  • BabaYaga

    Good lords, Man... Google and you will be HORRIFIED.

    Apparently they have "compounds" where one is sent if they are having "doubts" and the accounts are dumbfounding. Also, one is expected to PAY hundreds and thousands of dollars for steps towards spiritual enlightenment and healing.

    Here is a pretty sensationalized URL... scientology kills!

    The most notable horror scientology is infamous for is the death of Lisa McPhearson. Here is her memorial site, with all of the story... including graphic photos of her condition after treatment by the scientologists who kept her locked up.

    another one on that case:

    The founder's son even changed his name so as not to be associated with his father, and has spent his life speaking out against the atrocities of his father's monstrous creation (L. Ron Hubbard, Jr., to Ron deWolf)

    Those ought to keep you busy for a while.


  • DannyHaszard
    DannyHaszard JWD topic Jehovah Witness-Mormon-Scientology comparison My market research~Danny Haszard The internet is like the telephone if you don't have it you will.When i first sat down at a PC in late 1999 and googled Jehovah Witness i was astonished at the search results. NOW December 2006 A comparison of the negative pages of Jehovah's Witnesses with other groups. When you load the search bar yourselves also view their respective news and images Results 1 - 50 of about 1,140,000 for jehovahwitness. Results 1 - 50 of about 9,750,000 forMormon Results 1 - 50 of about 7,080,000 for Scientology BTW-Much of the Mormon bad PR is from the splinter fundy polygamy cults which the Mainline church has renounced but is the legacy they just have to live with for now.

  • jaguarbass

    I live in Clearwater Fla. Their headquarters are here. On Fort Harrison Street. They are all zombies. They dont look at you they dont smile they dont even talk to each other. They are ants marching. That should tell you something.

    The founder of scientology, L. Ron Hubbard was a science fiction writer. You can find his pulp paper backs in the used book store. He is on record as saying "I’d like to start a religion. That’s where the money is." Which he did. That should tell you something also. If you dont know what you stand for youll fall for anything. Humans have the urge to belong. If you dont want to be a sheeple, you have to fight the urge.

  • poppers

    I just read about some of the wacky beliefs of Scientology - these are just more beliefs that some people are willing to accept, and in this case the beliefs are definitely way out there - but, where's the proof those beliefs are founded on? There is none - it all comes out of the active imagination of someone; it's just a bunch of thoughts and ideas that appeals to some people who are searching for some kind of identity.

    It just goes to show you that most people seem to need to grasp at something to believe in, whether it is something more acceptable by societal standards or something outrageously silly. It's like people are afraid of not investing energy in believing in something because who then would they be? Belief give one a sense of identity and something to defend. But, belief in anything is really a way of avoiding discovering the truth of what one really is because belief covers up that reality. At the core of one's being there is nothing to be found, no separate and distinct individual and that scares the hell out of people, and so belief in anything, no matter how ridiculous, is preferable to discovering that. Who wants to discover that what they take themselves to be is totally ficticious, a complete lie? Better to cling to a belief, and so delusion continues.

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