Resources will be gone by 2050

by oldflame 69 Replies latest jw friends

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    That's the result of the overall increase in world population, fortunately for the environment women in developped countries do not produce that many children.

  • daystar
    daystar

    I read somewhere once that when automobiles were first coming into common use, a number of scientists warned of the effects of driving the vehicles at such high speeds as 20MPH as the human body was not designed to withstand such speeds.

    I also recall being taught back in the 80s we were in dire straits and if we didn't do something about it now, that "scientists say" we will be lucky to make it to the 21st century.

    An important thing to note is that all of this information comes from one single organization, the WWF conservation group. This group, just as any, have their own agendas and I'm sure it might suit them to look at statistics with a certain point of view.

    My point, as it is frequently, is this: scepticism, good, gullibility, bad...

    And before anyone anyone pegs me as some sort of "anti-environmentalist", let me just say that is far from the truth. I drive an efficient car, purposefully. I recycle quite a lot of stuff, more than just your normal "trash". And I have it in mind... actually very much in mind... to go completely solar at some point (It's still quite expensive).

    Hmmm... I wonder how many people who've commented have actually put their money where their mouths are? Do you pay extra for "green" energy, for example? Really, I want to know. How many have researched alternative energy sources they can actually use and moved towards that?

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Humans are doing something. The book 'the skeptical environmentalist' goes into this.

    A quote concerning africa:

    In the most staggering prediction of problems ahead,

    Global Environmental Outlook Report 2000 tells us that soil erosion is a pervasive problem, especially in Africa. Indeed, β€œin a continent where too many people are already malnourished, crop yields could be cut by half within 40 years if the degradation of cultivated lands were to continue at present 6 Part I The Litany rates.” 24 This, of course, would represent a tragedy of enormous proportions, causing massive starvation on the African continent.

    However, the background for this stunning prediction stems from a single, unpublished study from 1989, based on agricultural plot studies only in South Africa.

    25 And it is in stark opposition to the estimates of the major food production models from the UN (FAO) and IFPRI, expecting an annual 1.7 percent yield increase over the next 20–25 years. 26 Although the growth in yield in the 1990s was small but positive, the absolute grain production increased more than 20 percent. 27

    http://www.lomborg.com/skeptenvironChap1.pdf

    http://www.lomborg.com/bibliography.htm

    http://www.citizenreviewonline.org/static_pages/our_store/the_skeptical_environmenatlist.htm

    There is alot more in that chapter.

    S

  • jstalin
    jstalin

    I seem to recall that in the 70's the Club of Rome predicted global famine because of the "unsustainable" growth in the world population. I think they said that would happen by 2000. Hmm. I'm still here.

    The free market is a wonderful thing.

  • daniel-p
    daniel-p

    Its amazing how people shut out information when it even suggests a hint that we may have to change our way of life or our children's way of life. It is not about "the sky falling" - that is a really cheap way to pull a reductio absurdum(sp) argument. And NO, this info is not all coming from one org. with one agenda. Its amazing how people who have no knowledge spout off what they have gathered from the internet or heard from others. I am currenty involved in developing methodology for measuring ecological footprints for municipalities as a whole. It is not part of any "agenda" other than to help communitites grow sustainably. The title to this thread is misleading. The world's resources will not be gone by 2050, and even then, which resources are we talking about? The key is to remember that we can grow based on dipping into our fund accounts or grow by floating on our "flow" accounts. Like I said before: inflow must exceed outflow. I would like to continue this discussion but I need to go to school now.

  • daniel-p
    daniel-p

    I seem to recall that in the 70's the Club of Rome predicted global famine because of the "unsustainable" growth in the world population. I think they said that would happen by 2000. Hmm. I'm still here.

    The free market is a wonderful thing.

    Youre still here because you wern't subject to any famine. You think famines don't happen? God, it has nothing to do with a free market. Free markets don't exist, anywhere. There is and always will be regulation and government intervention, for one reason or another.

  • daystar
    daystar

    daniel-p

    I think the "sky is falling" point was well-made. The article was sensationalized and people began to talk, just as a good news story is supposed to make them. I heard about this thing from no less than two different people last night. In both cases, they were wide-eyed and, like, OMG, we must do something! And I'm sure their little bovine brains will have forgotten about it in a day or two and they will move on in life as normal, going through styrofoam cups and non-biodegradeable diapers like mad.

    I, for one, have not shut out any information. But I will not be manipulated. Daniel-p, you might note, though it's not been very much time yet, how few people have bothered to respond to my query about how many people have actually done anything substantial to reduce their footprint, or even looked into it very deeply. Very few people do, though they'll gibber on about articles like this every year or so.

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    http://pesn.com/2005/07/27/9600139_Fiber_Optics_Bring_Sun_Indoors/

    http://www.sierrasolar.com/

    http://www.windsun.com/

    http://www.solar4power.com/

    http://www.us.schott.com/photovoltaic/english/index.html

    (LOL! No, I didn't just google these up.

  • Warlock
    Warlock

    I stand by my statement:

    "The sky is falling".

    Warlock

  • Finally-Free
    Finally-Free
    You can start to "think globally, act locally" by taking this test: http://www.myfootprint.org/

    Sorry, but I can't take that test seriously. Any test that calls eating meat once or twice a week "often" is retarded. My parents ate better than that during the great depression.

    W

  • eyeslice
    eyeslice

    Any test that calls eating meat once or twice a week "often" is retarded

    Get used it - we have to start thinking differently if the human race is to avoid disaster.

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