Are we in Christ's 1000 year reign yet?

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  • undercover
    undercover

    Something that gets lost in the debate over whether the WTS ever claimed in print that Armageddon would come in 1975 is that they did teach, in print, that 1975 would be the end of 6,000 years of man's existance on earth.

    What significance is that? According to the WTS, in print, Jesus would start his new 1,000 year reign of peace at the start of the new "millenium". Satan would be abyssed, war will end, the wicked destroyed.

    Whether the WTS said in so many words, "Armageddon is coming in 1975" or not, it is strongly associated with the then coming 1,000 year period of peace and rule by Jesus.

    Does the WTS still teach this 1,000 year stuff?

    Taken from the booklet, "The Approaching Peace of a Thousand Years" released in 1969:

    More recently earnest researchers of the Holy Bible have made a recheck of its chronology. According to their calculations the six millenniums of mankind's life on earth would end in the mid-seventies. Thus the seventh millennium from man's creation by Jehovah God would begin within less than ten years.*
    Apart from the global change that present-day world conditions indicate is fast getting near, the arrival of the seventh millennium of man's existence on earth suggests a gladsome change for war-stricken humankind. According to the first two chapters of the Holy Bible man and woman were created toward the close of the sixth creative day. We are now living in the seventh creative day, and on this seventh day Jehovah God has been resting from earthly creation. To run parallel with this resting of God on his seventh creative day, he gave the Ten Commandments to his prophet Moses, in the fourth one of which God commanded that his chosen people should rest on the seventh day of the week. (Exodus 20:8-11) That day was therefore the weekly sabbath day, the day of desistance from human toil.

    * See the book Aid to Bible Understanding , page 333, under "Chronology." Also, the book Life Everlasting — in Freedom of the Sons of God , pages 26-35, under the subheading "Six Thousand Years of Human Existence Closing," published in 1966.
    The Lord Jesus Christ, the prospective Prince of Peace, pointed forward to a greater Sabbath Day. Pointing forward to this, he said on a certain weekly sabbath day when he came under criticism: "Lord of the sabbath is what the Son of man is." (Matthew 12:1-8) He was referring to his peaceful reign of a thousand years. Jehovah God measures human affairs according to a thousand-year-length rule. He inspired the prophet Moses to write, in Psalm 90:4: "A thousand years are in your eyes but as yesterday when it is past." He also inspired the Christian apostle Peter to write: "One day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day." (2 Peter 3:8, AV ) In prophetic vision the apostle John saw Satan the Devil and his demons bound and abyssed for a thousand years, during which thousand years Jesus Christ reigned with his victorious disciples over all mankind. (Revelation 5:9, 10; 20:1-7) So, according to God's viewpoint of time, that thousand years of his Son Jesus Christ would correspond with merely "one day."
    In order for the Lord Jesus Christ to be "Lord even of the sabbath day," his thousand-year reign would have to be the seventh in a series of thousand-year periods or millenniums. (Matthew 12:8, AV ) Thus it would be a sabbatic reign. Since early in the existence of mankind Satan the Devil has been on the loose, making the human family to toil in hard bondage, causing the earth to be filled with violence before the global flood of Noah's day and inducing the same old earth to be filled with even greater violence today. Soon now six millenniums of his wicked exploiting of mankind as his slaves will end, within the lifetime of the generation that has witnessed world events since the close of the Gentile Times in 1914 till now, according to the prophetic words of Jesus in Matthew 24:34. Would not, then, the end of six millenniums of mankind's laborious enslavement under Satan the Devil be the fitting time for Jehovah God to usher in a Sabbath millennium for all his human creatures? Yes, indeed! And his King Jesus Christ will be Lord of that Sabbath.In ancient times, when God's chosen people were under the Ten Commandments given through his prophet Moses, the weekly sabbath was a peaceful day. To agree with God's own desistance from earthly work on his seventh creative day, his people were under divine command to desist from the hard work of the preceding six days, likewise their domestic animals. (Exodus 20:1-11) In like manner Christ's sabbatic reign for a thousand years will be a peaceful time for this earth and its inhabitants. It will be a time of rest from all the warfare and violence of the previous six millenniums. Swords, symbolic of murderous warfare, will have been beaten into plowshares, and spears into pruning hooks for the grapevines. Life will not be dull in that restful millennial sabbath. It will not be a time of idleness. The Sabbath Lord, Jesus Christ the King, will not be idle, neither will he let his earthly subjects be idle.
    Why was it that Jesus Christ, when on earth as a Jew under the Ten Commandments, did so many of his miraculous works on the weekly sabbath day, healing the sick and the crippled? Not only to show that it was right to do good on the sabbath. It was also to foreshadow how, during his sabbatic reign, he will deliver humankind from bondage to Satan the Devil and his demons and relieve them of the deadly effects of the sin and imperfection inherited from our first human parents, Adam and Eve. War and violence during the past six millenniums have brought millions of humans to untimely death and the grave; but the Lord of the Sabbath, Jesus Christ, will bring up the thousands of millions of dead humankind from the graves, exactly as he prophesied that he would do. (John 5:28, 29) It was no mere idle phrase when his truthful apostle Paul wrote that God's sabbath law had a "shadow of the good things to come." — Hebrews 10:1; Colossians 2:16, 17.

  • blondie
    blondie

    Some JWs said it would start in 1975. If you add the 30 years extra that some tack on for the age Adam was when Eve was created, it started last year.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    I had a thread on 1975 and everybody helped me with the answer.

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/6/121888/1.ashx

    Basically, the WTS has abandoned the teaching, but has never "changed" it.
    Where they used to say "Creative days are 7000 years long" now they say "thousands of years."

    The forum felt that they wanted older JW's to think they learned the truth of the matter
    (No sense upsetting them, they might start researching)

    Yet at the same time, newer JW would be able to imagine "thousands" as an indefinite and large number.

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    Time caught up with them and proved them wrong just as happened in so many other instances, the FDS has extremely low or even zero trustworthiness when it comes to interpreting the scriptures. The world goes on as ever before even after 1914.

  • LittleToe
    LittleToe

    "No Donkey, it's a land far, far away!"

    Hehe

    I guess you sure can get in hot water when you use some dubious ancient chronology to work out how long the earth has been in existence, huh?

    I'm an Amillenial modified Preterist, so I interpret it to mean eternity, in which the events of Revelation happen in the believer's life.

    Just my 2p.

  • Finally-Free
    Finally-Free

    When I was a JW I asked an elder why the society didn't think the 1000 year reign began in 1914. After all, they maintain that Jesus was "enthroned as King in 1914" and ruling in "the midst of his enemies" since then. Was he reigning or wasn't he? Or was there a period of transition that the bible neglected to mention? Or was the "1000 years" not literal?

    As usual, he couldn't answer me and suggested I "study more" and "trust in Jehovah".

    W

  • Leolaia
    Leolaia

    To add to the confusion, the Society teaches that Jesus was enthroned as King in 1914. The Society still uses the phrase "Millennial Reign" to refer to Jesus' reign. So how he could have been enthroned as King and not start his Millennial Reign in 1914?

    Of course, originally the belief was that Jesus became king in 1878 with the Millennium starting before or on 1874, so the Millennial Reign was supposed to be underway when Jesus became King, not after a very long delay afterward. Then in 1925 Rutherford updated the date of Jesus becoming King to 1914, with hints in the "Millions Now Living" campaign that the Millennium would begin shortly, e.g. in 1925. Then with the passage of time, the Millennium became indefinitely postponed with the date of Christ's enthronement stuck to 1914. The more time passes, the greater the disparity between the two becomes.

  • BrendaCloutier
    BrendaCloutier

    All I know is that Armageddon happend in 1975 invisibly just as The Christ's reign over the earth began in 1914 (1878?) invisibly.

    If we are in Christ's 1000 year reign, he's a rather shitty ruler.

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    Brenda,

    can we get an amen?

    If we are in Christ's 1000 year reign, he's a rather shitty ruler.

  • Wasanelder Once
    Wasanelder Once

    You guys sound like kids in the backseat of a car asking their parents, "Are we there yet?"

    Patience, patience... After all, its almost, nearly, on the cusp, on the verge of being here....

    W.Once

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