Intellectual dishonesty in the New Tract !

by AK - Jeff 24 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • greendawn

    I wonder who writes all that JW literature, the magazines and the books. It's hard to believe that it's those 12 men, some of them are hopelessly senile. Most likely it's the close associates but certainly none of the many anointed outsiders that are not part of the inner circle.

  • fullofdoubtnow
    They completely omit any mention in the tract of the United Nations

    Well of course they do, they must be aware that all us apostates will see the tract before most jws, and unlike the r&f we know all about their association with the UN between 1991 - 2001. They don't want to give us any more ammunition to attack them with, we have plenty already.

    Apart from that, we've come to expect dishonesty from the wts, that's why most of left.

    I think this picture is so appropriate, I might send it to them to put in a future awake, though I doubt they'll use it lol

  • Frank75
    I wonder who writes all that JW literature, the magazines and the books. It's hard to believe that it's those 12 men, some of them are hopelessly senile. Most likely it's the close associates but certainly none of the many anointed outsiders that are not part of the inner circle.

    RF gives some detail about who presently writes for the WT in COC as at the time he left. He also shows that high ranking official visits to countries outside the USA never consisted of visiting with or obtaining the theological thoughts/writings of local "Anointed" JW's. (Usually looked at with distrust anyway by local witnesses)

    Barbara Anderson a former writer/editor of the Awake and other publications also illuminates the writing strata of the WT at the following website:


  • blondie

    Actually, the WTS has started couching their words re UN and nations within the UN regarding the scarlet-colored wild beast.


    w00 3/15 p. 13 par. 12 ‘O God, Send Out Your Light’ ***

    For example, C. T. Russell could not have correctly understood the meaning of the symbolic scarlet-colored wild beast mentioned at Revelation 17:9-11, since the organizations that the beast represents, namely, the League of Nations and the United Nations, did not even exist until after his death.


    w96 6/1 p. 18 par. 18 Flight to Safety Before the "Great Tribulation" ***

    At Revelation 17:16, it is foretold that a figurative scarlet-colored wild beast, which has proved to be the United Nations, will turn on harlotlike Babylon the Great and violently destroy her.


    w95 10/1 p. 7 A World Without War—When? ***



    In Bible prophecy, human governments are often symbolized by wild beasts. (Daniel 7:6, 12, 23; 8:20-22) Hence, for many decades the Watchtower magazine has identified the wild beasts of Revelation chapters 13 and 17 with today’s worldly governments. This includes the United Nations, which is depicted in Revelation chapter 17 as a scarlet-colored beast with seven heads and ten horns.

    However, this Scriptural position does not condone any form of disrespect toward governments or their officials. The Bible clearly states: "Let every soul be in subjection to the superior authorities, for there is no authority except by God; the existing authorities stand placed in their relative positions by God. Therefore he who opposes the authority has taken a stand against the arrangement of God; those who have taken a stand against it will receive judgment to themselves."—Romans 13:1, 2.

    Accordingly, Jehovah’s Witnesses, who are maintaining strict political neutrality, do not interfere with human governments. They never foment revolution or participate in acts of civil disobedience. Rather, they recognize that some form of government is necessary to maintain law and order in human society.—Romans 13:1-7; Titus 3:1.

    Jehovah’s Witnesses view the United Nations organization as they do other governmental bodies of the world. They acknowledge that the United Nations continues to exist by God’s permission. In harmony with the Bible, Jehovah’s Witnesses render due respect to all governments and obey them as long as such obedience does not require that they sin against God.—Acts 5:29.


    w93 11/1 p. 22 par. 17 The Final Victory of Michael, the Great Prince ***

    The destruction of Babylon the Great is graphically described in the book of Revelation: "The ten horns that you saw [the ‘kings’ ruling in the time of the end], and the wild beast [the scarlet-colored wild beast, representing the United Nations organization], these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire." (Revelation 17:16) Truly, the nations ‘destroy much flesh’! (Daniel 7:5) But why will the rulers, including the king of the north, destroy Babylon the Great? Because ‘God puts it into their hearts to carry out his thought.’ (Revelation 17:17)

    *** w91 5/1 p. 23 Thrilling Visions That Strengthen Faith ***

    Surely, John is thrilled to witness the end of Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion, and to observe the joyous events that follow her destruction. (17:1–19:10) Drunk with the blood of holy ones, she is seen astride a scarlet-colored wild beast with seven heads and ten horns (the League of Nations and its successor, the United Nations). Ah, but what devastation she suffers as the horns turn against her!

    *** w89 5/15 pp. 5-6 Babylon the Great—Her Execution ***

    In highly symbolic language, the book of Revelation describes the destruction of Babylon the Great. At Revelation 17:16 we read: "The ten horns that you saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire." "The ten horns" symbolize all the political powers now on the world scene and that support the United Nations, the "scarlet-colored wild beast," itself the image of the Devil’s bloodstained political system.—Revelation 16:2; 17:3.

    *** w86 10/1 p. 20 par. 21 Peace From God—When? ***

    How will "Jehovah’s day" break forth? In this darkest night of human history, it will indeed come "as a thief"! That will be when God maneuvers nations of the UN beast to turn suddenly on false religion. Displaying their underlying hatred for Babylon the Great, they will expose her for what she is and utterly devastate her.

    *** w84 5/15 p. 6 1914—The Generation That Will Not Pass Away ***

    Revelation 17:16 indicates that radical political elements within the United Nations (the "scarlet-colored wild beast") will hate the religious harlot and devastate her. Already, powerful atheistic and antireligious elements in the UN have taken steps to stamp out religion within their domain.

    *** w05 1/15 p. 19 par. 16 Foregleams of God’s Kingdom Become a Reality ***

    Soon, Jehovah will move the world’s political elements to unite in efforts to expose and devastate the spiritual harlot Babylon the Great. (Revelation 17:15-17; 18:21)

    *** w05 9/15 p. 19 par. 13 Walk by Faith, Not by Sight! ***

    Likewise today, Bible prophecy indicates that militarized powers within the United Nations will see religion as a disturbing element and will act to destroy modern-day Jerusalem—Christendom—as well as the rest of Babylon the Great.

    *** w04 2/1 p. 21 par. 14 "The Scene of This World Is Changing" ***

    First, the kings of the earth (the political part of Satan’s organization) will turn on the supporters of Babylon the Great (the religious part) and will destroy them.

    *** w03 12/1 p. 29 Questions From Readers ***

    That will be when "the ten horns" and "the wild beast" make Babylon the Great devastated and naked.

    *** w00 9/1 p. 18 "The Times of Restoration" Are at Hand! ***

    Before that happens, though, the earth must be rid of God-dishonoring false religion. The political elements of this world will take care of this.

    *** w99 5/1 p. 17 par. 15 "Let the Reader Use Discernment" ***

    Revelation depicts "a scarlet-colored wild beast" that exists for a time, disappears, and then returns. (Revelation 17:3, 8) This beast is supported by world rulers. Details supplied in the prophecy help us to identify this symbolic beast as a peace organization that came into existence in 1919 as the League of Nations (a "disgusting thing") and that is now the United Nations. Revelation 17:16, 17 shows that God will yet put it into the hearts of certain human rulers who are prominent in this "beast" to desolate the world empire of false religion. That attack marks the outbreak of the great tribulation

    *** w98 9/15 p. 17 Waiting in "Eager Expectation" ***

    Jehovah will soon put it into the minds of political rulers to destroy "Babylon the Great," the world empire of false religion.

    *** w97 3/1 p. 14 par. 2 Happy Are Those Who Stay Awake! ***

    Soon, Jehovah will move this system’s political element to destroy Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion.

    *** w97 4/1 p. 14 par. 5 Deliverance Into a Righteous New World ***

    The "great tribulation" begins when the political elements suddenly turn on "Babylon the Great." They "will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire."

    *** w97 5/1 p. 17 par. 17 No Peace for the False Messengers! ***

    Shortly, "crazed" members of the UN will be maneuvered by Jehovah to turn on false religion, as described at Revelation 17:16: "These will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire." This will mark the start of the great tribulation that is referred to at Matthew 24:21 and that will climax at Armageddon, the war of the great day of God the Almighty.

    *** w97 9/15 p. 19 par. 14 Who Will Survive "the Day of Jehovah"? ***

    " (Revelation 17:16, 17; 18:2-5) "The ten horns" depict the militarized political powers holding sway on earth. Though they now have a spiritually adulterous relationship with Babylon the Great, her time is short. This world’s political element will destroy false religion, and "the wild beast"—the United Nations—will have a principal role with "the ten horns" in devastating her. What an occasion for praising Jehovah!—Revelation 19:1-6.

    *** w96 1/1 p. 22 par. 20 "Love Truth and Peace"! ***

    That terror will reach a climax when the nations turn on false religion and bring it to a violent end. Shortly afterward, the nations themselves will experience destruction in God’s final war, Armageddon.

    *** w96 8/15 p. 19 par. 17 Will You Be Saved When God Acts? ***

    According to the words of Revelation 17:16-18, God will put it into the heart of the political element to attack this symbolic harlot.

    *** w95 9/15 p. 13 par. 20 Jealous for the Pure Worship of Jehovah ***

    Soon Jehovah God will act by putting a drastic thought into the hearts of members of the United Nations. This will move these political powers to desolate Christendom and the rest of false religion.

    *** w95 10/1 p. 6 A World Without War—When? ***

    The account goes on to say that, in time, God will put it into the hearts of militaristic components of the wild beast to take action. These "will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire." (Revelation 17:16) Thus Jehovah God himself will have taken the initiative by maneuvering powerful nations into a campaign to remove false religion.

    *** w94 2/15 p. 20 par. 18 "Tell Us, When Will These Things Be?" ***

    The account in Revelation shows that the future great tribulation will begin when the militarized "horns" of the international "wild beast" turn on "the great harlot," Babylon the Great.

    *** w94 3/1 p. 20 par. 12 Jehovah’s Controversy With the Nations ***

    "The ten horns" of Revelation chapter 17 will desolate false religion, but later they themselves will suffer destruction along with all other "kings of the earth

    *** w94 11/1 p. 17 par. 5 Be Tenderly Compassionate ***

    God will put it into the heart of members of the United Nations to desolate Christendom and all other forms of false religion.

  • Frank75

    These above quotes clearly show that the WT has indeed backed away from its stance towards the UN as an organization choosing to finger members of it (miltary or otherwise) or simply political elements of the world instead.


  • Gilberto

    *** re chap. 28 p. 195 Contending With Two Ferocious Beasts ***


    The outworking of history identifies this image as the organization proposed, promoted, and supported by Britain and the United States and known initially as the League of Nations. Later, in Revelation chapter 17, it will appear under a different symbol, that of a living, breathing scarlet-colored wild beast having an independent existence. This international body ‘speaks,’ in that it makes boastful claims to be the only one able to bring peace and security to mankind. But in reality it has become a forum for member nations to exchange verbal tirades and insults. It has threatened with ostracism, or a living death, any nation or people that does not bow to its authority. It has actually expelled nations that fail to abide by its ideologies. At the onset of the great tribulation, militaristic "horns" of this image of the wild beast will fulfill a devastating role.—Revelation 7:14; 17:8, 16. Edited to add comments: Notice haw the UN ostracises those that don't bow to its ideologies, a living death. Can you think of any other organisation that will do that?

  • Gill

    Yup! That's cults for you! Sneaky, sneaky, sneaky!

  • Sasha

    Well, we all know that the message changes from time to time, ever so slightly, or sometimes not so slightly. I'm with the theory that the majority of the Governing Body are, in fact, senile, what with most of them in their 80's and 90's. All I know, is my major questions were not answered or I was LIED to, and had to find the answers myself, so I left. I never in over 40 years thought the "truth" could be so sneaky.

  • Gilberto

    Actually the Governing Body are younger than I thought. And younger than most JWs would think as well

    Effective September 1 st 2005 the Governing Body profile is as follows. The numbers next to the names are their ages.

    John Barr - 92
    Carey Barber - 100
    Samuel Herd - 70
    Geoffrey Jackson - 50 (new as of 8/25/05)
    Theodore Jaracz - 80
    Steven Lett - 56
    Gerrit Lösch -63
    Anthony Morris - 55 (new as of 8/25/05)
    Guy Pierce - 70
    Albert Schroeder - 94 (deceased 2006)
    David Splane - 61
    Daniel Sydlik - 86

  • blondie
    Actually the Governing Body are younger than I thought. And younger than most JWs would think as well

    That's because the old ones are dying off, the ones born before 1935. Only Barber was born before 1935 and was an baptized as an adult before 1935. (BTW Dan Sydlik died this year)

    All those replacement anointed could go on forever.

    Do all of the anointed have to be dead and in heaven for the marriage of the bride to Christ to take place?

    Do some of the anointed have to be on earth when the GT starts? Since the WTS teaches that the marriage of the bride takes place shortly after the destruction of Babylon the Great..............I guess those guys will be dying early.


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