Why Americans Hated

by Satanus 24 Replies latest jw friends

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Here is a mild, brief explanation to answer the question: why??

    I am certainly not minimizing the loss of life, anguish and fear being experienced by americans and canadians.

    The following is from this address
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/Archive/Article/0%2C4273%2C4255855%2C00.html

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    Americans Can't Understand
    Why They Are So Hated
    By Seumas Milne
    The Guardian - London
    9-16-1

    Nearly two days after the horrific suicide attacks on civilian workers in New York and Washington, it has become painfully clear that most Americans simply don't get it. From the president to passersby on the streets, the message seems to be the same: this is an inexplicable assault on freedom and democracy, which must be answered with overwhelming force - just as soon as someone can construct a credible account of who was actually responsible.

    Shock, rage and grief there has been aplenty. But any glimmer of recognition of why people might have been driven to carry out such atrocities, sacrificing their own lives in the process - or why the United States is hated with such bitterness, not only in Arab and Muslim countries, but across the developing world - seems almost entirely absent. Perhaps it is too much to hope that, as rescue workers struggle to pull firefighters from the rubble, any but a small minority might make the connection between what has been visited upon them and what their government has visited upon large parts of the world.

    But make that connection they must, if such tragedies are not to be repeated, potentially with even more devastating consequences. US political leaders are doing their people no favours by reinforcing popular ignorance with self-referential rhetoric. And the echoing chorus of Tony Blair, whose determination to bind Britain ever closer to US foreign policy ratchets up the threat to our own cities, will only fuel anti-western sentiment. So will calls for the defence of "civilisation", with its overtones of Samuel Huntington's poisonous theories of post-cold war confrontation between the west and Islam, heightening perceptions of racism and hypocrisy.

    As Mahatma Gandhi famously remarked when asked his opinion of western civilisation, it would be a good idea. Since George Bush's father inaugurated his new world order a decade ago, the US, supported by its British ally, bestrides the world like a colossus. Unconstrained by any superpower rival or system of global governance, the US giant has rewritten the global financial and trading system in its own interest; ripped up a string of treaties it finds inconvenient; sent troops to every corner of the globe; bombed Afghanistan, Sudan, Yugoslavia and Iraq without troubling the United Nations; maintained a string of murderous embargos against recalcitrant regimes; and recklessly thrown its weight behind Israel's 34-year illegal military occupation of the West Bank and Gaza as the Palestinian intifada rages.

    If, as yesterday's Wall Street Journal insisted, the east coast carnage was the fruit of the Clinton administration's Munich-like appeasement of the Palestinians, the mind boggles as to what US Republicans imagine to be a Churchillian response.

    It is this record of unabashed national egotism and arrogance that drives anti-Americanism among swaths of the world's population, for whom there is little democracy in the current distribution of global wealth and power. If it turns out that Tuesday's attacks were the work of Osama bin Laden's supporters, the sense that the Americans are once again reaping a dragons' teeth harvest they themselves sowed will be overwhelming.

    It was the Americans, after all, who poured resources into the 1980s war against the Soviet-backed regime in Kabul, at a time when girls could go to school and women to work. Bin Laden and his mojahedin were armed and trained by the CIA and MI6, as Afghanistan was turned into a wasteland and its communist leader Najibullah left hanging from a Kabul lamp post with his genitals stuffed in his mouth.

    But by then Bin Laden had turned against his American sponsors, while US-sponsored Pakistani intelligence had spawned the grotesque Taliban now protecting him. To punish its wayward Afghan offspring, the US subsequently forced through a sanctions regime which has helped push 4m to the brink of starvation, according to the latest UN figures, while Afghan refugees fan out across the world.

    All this must doubtless seem remote to Americans desperately searching the debris of what is expected to be the largest-ever massacre on US soil - as must the killings of yet more Palestinians in the West Bank yesterday, or even the 2m estimated to have died in Congo's wars since the overthrow of the US-backed Mobutu regime. "What could some political thing have to do with blowing up office buildings during working hours?" one bewildered New Yorker asked yesterday.

    Already, the Bush administration is assembling an international coalition for an Israeli-style war against terrorism, as if such counter-productive acts of outrage had an existence separate from the social conditions out of which they arise. But for every "terror network" that is rooted out, another will emerge - until the injustices and inequalities that produce them are addressed.

  • joelbear
    joelbear

    he who lives by the sword dies by the sword.

  • Seeker
    Seeker

    Thanks for posting this; it's good to hear the other side of the issue as well. We've had plenty of posts that reprinted cheering for all that America has done well, and rightly so, for America has done much good in this world for many nations. But with all the good America does, it also has done bad things, things that cause some to hate America.

    American politicians have been lying to us all week long about the reasons for this attack. "They hate our freedom," they say, but that's not true. "They are jealous of us," they claim, but that's not true either. The attacks were because of religious hatred, and resentment over some heavy-handed American actions over the years.

    Only a balanced view of the world will help us understand what is happening, and how to respond. Bush today promised we "will rid the world of evil-doers." That is such a stupid thing to say one hardly knows where to begin to respond. It's that sort of simplistic thinking that will perpetuate the danger. If you get rid of every last one of these terrorists, it still won't solve the problem is America continues to throw its weight around in places where it is not wanted. It will just cause more people to spring up that hate America.

    No, the solution here is to not only hunt down the people that committed this atrocity, but also to reevaluate our overall interactions with the rest of the world. Some countries want our help -- give it to them. Some countries want nothing to do with us -- fine, leave them alone. The old way of being the biggest big brother/biggest bully on the block won't work. All the good deeds in the world won't help if some of our bad deeds inspire such murderous hatred in others.

    None of the above is designed to excuse the actions that happened last week. Nothing can excuse such actions. But if we don't learn to understand the motives of our enemy, we will keep going in violent circles, continually asking, "Why did this happen?"

  • drahcir yarrum
    drahcir yarrum

    Yes, I just don't get it:

    The United States has provided billions of dollars in economic aid to the rest of the world. From earthquake, flood and famine relief to military assistance and direct intervention to save innocent lives, to propping up failed economies. The billions of dollars didn't just fall out of the sky, it came from American workers pay checks in the form of taxation.

    The United States allows millions of foreigners each year to enter legally our borders to share in the dream of over two centuries. We allow amnesty for thousands more illegal aliens every year. We educate their children, house them and feed them through welfare payments and charitible works. The money for this did not fall out of the sky either. Again hard working American taxpayers foot the bill.

    As an American taxpayer of some consequence (at least I think so when I review my tax returns), I would just like to say to anyone in other countries who hates the United States. . . FUCK OFF! I don't give a shit what you think of us. And most Americans I know don't care either. Oh yes, we'll continue to help you out with military, economic and charitible assistance, but as for me. . . YOU CAN KISS MY ASS. I realize that not all people in foreign countries hate us and most of them are decent, hard working people. But for you who hate us, the expressions above stand.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Seeker

    It's so unfortunate that the state dept, cia, nsa and various other branches of govt that influence and operate in foriegn counrntries don't consult their ctizens or keep the apprised of their policies and operations.

    S

  • Tatiana
    Tatiana

    I agree that the US has done a lot of good all over the world in times of crisis and economic problems. But the US has also done lots of things we should not be proud of.

    "Bush today promised we "will rid the world of evil-doers."

    Unfortunately, if we do not want to follow the Roman Empire, we must start getting rid of evildoers in our own country also. And I'm not naive enough to think we haven't done our share of it.

    April

    "Love never dies." Voivodul Vlad Draculea (from Bram Stoker's Dracula-1992)

  • sf
    sf

    "...why the United States is hated with such bitterness,... seems almost entirely absent."

    Present(raises hand) here.

    " Perhaps it is too much to hope that, as rescue workers struggle to pull firefighters from the rubble, any but a small minority might make the connection between what has been visited upon them and what their government has visited upon large parts of the world."

    One word...Kharma! What did ANYONE expect anyway?

    "But make that connection they must,..."

    I concur fully. No more sugar-COATS! It's time to "get Naked"! (Can we string Jackeroff and Slickdick upand stuff theirballs in their mouth too, uh, can we?)

    "US political leaders are doing their people no favours by reinforcing popular ignorance with self-referential rhetoric."

    I concur fully. USA isn't the only one with "Intelligence". I refuse to let Them insult Mine.

    "Since George Bush's father inaugurated his new world order a decade ago, the US, supported by its British ally, bestrides the world like a colossus. Unconstrained by any superpower rival or system of global governance, the US giant has rewritten the global financial and trading system in its own interest; ripped up a string of treaties it finds inconvenient; sent troops to every corner of the globe; bombed Afghanistan, Sudan, Yugoslavia and Iraq without troubling the United Nations; maintained a string of murderous embargos against recalcitrant regimes; and recklessly thrown its weight behind Israel's 34-year illegal military occupation of the West Bank and Gaza as the Palestinian intifada rages."

    Wouldn't this MAYBE answer this:

    "What could some political thing have to do with blowing up office buildings during working hours?"

    Just a WILD guess here...remember, I have no "Intelligence".

    "But for every "terror network" that is rooted out, another will emerge - until the injustices and inequalities that produce them are addressed."

    Yea, perhaps, but not in OUR lifetime. And that sucks. I want to WITNESS as many "hanging, stuffed balls" as I can!!

    sKally, www klass and STILL not a rocket scientist

  • drahcir yarrum
    drahcir yarrum

    Are we perfect in America? No, and we never claimed to be. We have problems to solve and we tend to solve them. But compared to the history of the rest of the world, we are a beacon of good. Whenever I visit a foreign country, no matter the natural beauty of it's land or cities, I am always glad to be back in the United States. I NEVER dream about living anywhere else in the world. This is still the land of liberty and opportunity. No other country comes close.

  • drahcir yarrum
    drahcir yarrum

    Tatiana:

    Now I'm going to ask you who are the evildoers in our own country we NEED to get rid of? Be very specific. I'm waiting for your response.

    Also, I would like for you to provide some reasonable connection between those evildoers and the unprovoked attacks of last Tuesday that have killed over 5,000 innocent people.

    This ought to be good.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    Drahcir

    The quality of life or life style isn't the point here. It's the intergerence and meddling of the US govt, and, in some cases, actually dictating to foriegn govt how to run their countries. It has been stated many times that what is important is 'american interests'. So, whatever the US govt does, it does for its own interests. The interests of other countries, its poeple are secondary or tirciary. The american people have done a lot of good and mean well. When the govt passes on these acts, it almost always has strings attatched. The recipients generally end up paying a lot for the aide.

    S

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