How the Watchtower organization does, in fact, claim to be an inspired prophet.

by Island Man 16 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Island Man
    Island Man

    Draw any JW's attention to Watchtower's history of false predictions and invariably, somewhere down the line of the conversation, the JW will tell you that Watchtower never claimed to be an inspired prophet and therefore cannot be accused of being a false prophet. But is it really true that Watchtower has never claimed to be an inspired prophet?

    Technically speaking, the answer is yes - I think (if I'm wrong I'd love to see the quote). So far as I'm aware they have never explicitly stated that they're an inspired prophet. But here's the thing: communication is not always direct and explicit. A person can deliberately communicate an idea to you in an indirect manner without speaking explicitly. This might be done, for example, through the use of insinuations.

    Watchtower is aware of this. In fact, Watchtower uses this very principle of indirect communication to hold Satan guilty of disparaging God's motives. Watchtower claims that Satan communicated to Eve the idea that God lied to her and that he is selfishly withholding the benefits of the tree of the knowledge of good and bad from her and her husband. Satan never explicitly told Eve that God is a liar. Yet, Watchtower interprets his words to Eve as insinuating as much and on that basis JWs say that Satan proved to be a slanderer who disparaged God's character and motive. So if Satan can be guilty of saying something merely by insinuating it, then why can't the same be said of Watchtower? Doesn't the Watchtower organization insinuate that it's an inspired prophet?

    Yes, it does. Watchtower claims to be the channel that God is using at this time. There are multiple instances in their literature, both old and new, where they clearly communicate the idea that God is today directing his people through the organization. They have even explicitly referred to themselves as being God's modern day prophet! They will only deny the qualification of "inspired" being added to the mix. No JW can honestly deny that the organization is a collective prophet of God. They will only deny that it is, or ever claims to be, an inspired prophet.

    But here's the thing: The organization also touts itself as being God's "spirit-directed organization". To be inspired is to be directed by God's spirit. So if one claims to be spirit directed, he is in fact saying, in other words, that he is inspired! How can anyone claim to be God's sole spirit-directed channel, appointed by God to teach and direct his people, and repeatedly use this claim to elicit unquestioning obedience and deference to him and his teachings, but then turn around and say he never claimed to be an inspired prophet? Such a person would have to either be dishonest or confused.

    So in a round-about way the Watchtower organization is claiming to be an inspired prophet by arrogantly portraying itself as having a role that fits the profile of an inspired prophet. They are doing this to get JWs to treat them like a prophet - to give them the same obedience and deference that bible characters gave to the inspired prophets of the bible. They want the prestige and authority that inspired prophets of the bible had. But at the same time they explicitly deny that they're inspired prophets. Why? Because they don't want the scrutiny and the judgment that comes to those who prove to be false prophets. They say they are not inspired prophets so that they can later use those words to weasel out of being labeled a false prophet when their predictions and teachings prove them to be such. Watchtower is essentially being duplicitous for the sake of expedience.

    Do not let JWs get away with saying that Watchtower never claimed to be an inspired prophet. That is a trivial and irrelevant technicality because Watchtower's own descriptions of itself in its literature over the years, matches the profile of an inspired prophet.

  • sir82
    That would be a good question to pose to a nitwit die-hard JW: "Explain the difference, exactly, between 'spirit inspired' and 'spirit directed', and also explain how you know the answer."
  • blondie

    jwfacts as a wonderful discussion and evidence.

  • Village Idiot
    Village Idiot

    They used to refer to themselves as the "Jeremiah Class", the "Ezekiel Class" and so forth. Those were prophets whose authority they want to rub off on them.

    What's more, just calling themselves Witnesses means that they're testifying on their god's behalf. Yet the testimony they give is nothing but perjury.

  • StarTrekAngel

    Good summary. Despite this, even if that claim can be substantiated (the claim of no, we never said we were a prophet), the fact is that they more than once attempted to prophesied in the name of Jehovah and that is enough to be a self-proclaimed prophet. Regarding the holy spirit direction or inspiration, it is very obvious in the view of most people that they are one and the same, yet the watchtower insists on making a differentiation. Such that can not be sustained in their own writings. I have spoken to two JWs already regarding this and both have come up with the same standard answer. To quote "the society does not claim to be spirit inspired but merely spirit directed". Upon requesting an explanation on the difference, all I get is silence. I then proceed to point them to their own library or website and to search the term "Inspiration" and you will find that, under the explanation, both terms are used interchangeably to define inspiration.

    My other and probably biggest pet peeve of mine is this. If the organization truly admits to not being inspired by holy spirit, how is it that they remind us 3 to 10 times a meeting that everything we get comes from Jehovah (literature, counsel, elders, etc) but only reminds us of the not-inspired every so many years, when they are in hot water?

  • Finkelstein

    The WTS has been inspired to sell and proliferate its published literature for a long time now by exploiting the belief in the bible and the people who they were inspired to lie to.

    In reality how can an organization that self proclaims itself the solemnly chosen organization from God here on earth and not be inspired ?

    All the false and misleading teachings this organization has produced were offered to mankind as they also self described themselves as the FDSL, but actually were they as in (1918) when they were still teaching Pyramidology.

    Maybe the Watchtower Corporation was a fraud all along, a commercially inspired fraud ???

  • Splash

    A few excerpts, but I don't know if they meet your criteria. If you include "prophet" in quotes, there are quite a few more. Can't format it too well - using a tablet.

    WT 1919 Oct 1 p.297 - "This was the test - the coming down of fire; and the fulfilment exactly on time has proved that Pastor Russell was one of God's great reformers and prophets."

    w59 1/15 pp. 40-41 pars. 11-14 Down with the Old—Up with the New! -

    11 Jeremiah prophesied forty years in the time of the end of the kingdom of Judah. So who will prophesy with his message in this time of the end of the nations of this world?

    13 The fact that decides the answer to the question is, not, Do all the clergy of Roman Catholicism and of Protestantism agree that Jehovah's witnesses have been and are God's prophet to the nations? but, Who discerned the divine will for Christians in this time of the world's end and offered themselves to do it? Who have undertaken God's foreordained work for this day of judgment of the nations? Who have answered the call to the work and have done it down till this year 1958? Whom has God actually used as his prophet?

    14 By the historical facts of the case Christendom is beaten back in defeat. Jehovah's witnesses are deeply grateful today that the plain facts show that God has been pleased to use them. All the preaching and all the Bible educational work that they have done till now in 175 countries and islands of the sea they confess has been, not by help of a military army, nor by human power, but by God's spirit, his invisible active force. (Zech. 4:6, AV) It has been because Jehovah thrust out his hand of power and touched their lips and put his words in their mouths.

    Awake 6/8/1986 p.9 - "You will be interested to learn that God has on earth a people, all of whom are prophets, or witnesses for God. In fact, they are known throughout the world as Jehovah's Witnesses."

    Reasoning From the Scriptures (1989) p.133 - "If any individual claim to represent God but decline to use god's personal name, and make it a practice to express their own opinions on matters, are they measuring up to this important qualification of a true prophet?"

    w91 9/1 p. 29 par. 20 - By our preaching and by our very presence, we are warning the wicked. (Ezekiel 33:33) ["And when it comes true—look! it must come true—they will also have to know that a prophet himself had proved to be in the midst of them]

    w99 10/1 5 "For Everything There Is an Appointed Time" - "For the Sovereign Lord Jehovah will not do a thing unless he has revealed his confidential matter to his servants the prophets." (Amos 3:7) ... For that purpose God has authorized a "faithful and discreet slave"to provide his people with "their [spiritual] food at the proper time."

    w10 7/15 p. 11 par. 18 "What Sort of Persons Ought You to Be!" - "At the same time, Jehovah will honor his faithful servants by making it abundantly clear that they were, indeed, his representatives.—Read Ezekiel 2:5; 33:33."

    (Eze 2:5) And as for them, whether they will hear or will refrain—for they are a rebellious house—they will certainly know also that a prophet himself happened to be in the midst of them.

    (Eze 33:33) And when it comes true—look! it must come true—they will also have to know that a prophet himself had proved to be in the midst of them."

    w14 11/15 p. 30 11 - "Revelation 11:3 speaks of two witnesses who would prophesy for 1,260 days... However, true to the words of the prophecy, at the end of the three and a half days, the two witnesses were brought back to life. Not only were these anointed ones released from prison but those who remained faithful received a special appointment from God through their Lord, Jesus Christ. In 1919 they were among those who were appointed to serve as a "faithful and discreet slave" to care for the spiritual needs of God’s people during the last days."

  • Island Man
    Island Man
    Great quotes, Splash!
  • Island Man
    Island Man
    "My other and probably biggest pet peeve of mine is this. If the organization truly admits to not being inspired by holy spirit, how is it that they remind us 3 to 10 times a meeting that everything we get comes from Jehovah (literature, counsel, elders, etc) but only reminds us of the not-inspired every so many years, when they are in hot water?"

    Exactly! They are psychological manipulators, manipulating JWs into treating the organization like its an inspired prophet while at the same time giving them explicit statements to the contrary so the JW can rationalize in his conscious mind that Watchtower denies being an inspired prophet and he does not believe that they are. Watchtower is essentially hijacking the JWs' subconscious mind while appeasing and deceiving their conscious mind. To the JWs' subconscious mind, Watchtower says: "We're inspired prophets and you had better treat us as such!" But to their conscious mind they say: "We don't claim to be inspired prophets so don't worry that we're false prophets when you see our teachings or predictions fail." What a mind trap the JWs are in!

    I once heard a speaker at a convention, while speaking about the counsel in the Watchtower literature, nonchalantly refer to it as ". . . what Jehovah inspired the brothers to write in the literature . . .". No one in the audience batted an eyelid at his statement and there was no hint of subdued murmuring as usually happens when a speaker says something remarkable, funny or clearly in error. Perhaps he didn't really mean to use the word inspired. Perhaps it was just a slip - a Freudian slip born of a subconscious mind that already esteems Watchtower literature as being inspired of God.


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