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  • purplesofa
    purplesofa
    Aren't these the same "peaceful" people who practice bride burning as a method of extorting exorbitant dowries out of the bride's family?

    Is this a practice of hindus..........or muslims...........the reason I ask is ...........the country had both religions at one time. Maybe we associate a certain custom to a land or region and then to the main religion of that region when in fact it belongs elsewhere. I am just saying...

    I did not know that India was at one time under British rule. and that was until 200 years ago!

    I did tell the doc today, that I was going to research his religion farther.

    purps

  • Scully
    Scully

    From the wikipedia link that I provided:

    The giving of a dowry upon marriage has been part of many cultures, and it has continued and even flourished in many areas with large Hindu populations.

    It does not mention Muslims at all in the article. Lisa Ling did an investigative report on bride burning in India. What they showed was appalling. There is a hospital in Bangalore, India that cares for women who have survived bride burning incidents. It is a 27 bed facility, and it is always full. (BTW, the ward where I work has 27 beds as well, so it hit very close to home, when I thought of replacing all those happy new moms with women who had been deliberately set on fire by their husband or a family member of the husband.) By the end of the 3 weeks that Ling spent in the area doing her investigation, every single one of the women who she had originally met at the hospital had died. You can view a synopsis of the report here.

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa
    ISSN 1084-7478
    JSAWS Vol. 2, No. 4
    December 22, 1996

    Editorial Note
    Domestic Violence...
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    1. Introduction
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    3. ..Middle-class Phenomenon?
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    Hindu Marriage System, Hindu Scriptures
    and Dowry And Bride-Burning In India
    by Ram Narayan Tripathi

    In modern societies marriage is an established custom designed to make society a most dependable and indivisible unit. In the present generations, however, it has come under increasing pressure and criticism from many quarters and its very existence is threatened.

    Let us talk about the Hindu marriage system and delve into the topic of dowry and bride-burning in India for which we are assembled here. No one doubts that is a most heinous crime perpetrated by greedy persons who want to get rich through the marriage of their sons. The custom of dowry is prevalent in many parts of India where it is regarded only as a voluntary gift to the bride by the parents, friends and relatives and there are no strings attached. In many cases, grooms do not take anything as dowry. Gifts are accepted as a token of love. But when the parents of the groom extort money from the parents of the bride as a recompense for marrying their daughter to their son, keep on increasing the demands after the wedding, finally kill the bride for the outstanding amount, and yet go unpunished by the administrative, legal and judicial system of the country, this must be a product of the overall moral decadence of the country. This is an extremely serious matter. I congratulate the organizers of The First International Conference on Dowry and Bride-Burning in India for focussing the attention of the world on this abominable crime in India.

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  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    Thanks Scully for the info

    wow............guess I am shocked

    Maybe that is why he left.........I just cant imagine anyone doing that .

    purps

  • anewme
    anewme

    Dreadful murderous behavoir!
    Where does such a disgusting custom come from?
    Do they not respect life?
    The article mentions greed. Surely not all Hindus are greedy.
    How are they stopping this huge spiritual mistake the people are making?
    Education and govt intervention?

  • Scully
    Scully

    anewme:

    Dowry was outlawed in India in the 60s. Yet it is still practiced there today, with dowry deaths / bride burning incidents increasing dramatically since the 80s. Sons are highly valued because the belief system teaches that they can require a dowry when he marries, and when sonograms became available, female fetuses were commonly aborted in order to avoid having to pay a dowry when the daughter would have married. This is the culture that historically drowned baby girls shortly after birth for the same reason.

    More.

    http://www.hindunet.org/srh_home/1995_10/msg00095.html

  • anewme
    anewme

    Thankyou Scully!

    The fact that the govt has outlawed this custom and now this counsel has convened to look into the present situation is a good thing indeed.

    The First International Counsel on Bride Burning in India. Wow. You are right. They are only now looking into it seriously.

    I think its a good thing when the world gets smaller and unacceptable behaviour like this gets exposed and its supporters get ashamed and are forced to give up a disgraceful practice.

    The rest of the world says NO!!!!

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/hinduism/history/

    History

    Hinduism has a long and complex history. It is a blend of ancient legends, beliefs and customs which has adapted, blended with, and spawned numerous creeds and practices.

    Please note:
    The 'traditional' view of Hindu history, as described in this section, has been challenged by modern scholars.

    In particular, various scholars have advanced the following theories:

    • Hindu religion pre-dated 3000BCE
    • 'Aryan', a Sanskrit word meaning 'noble', does not refer to an invading race at all
    • The Aryans did not invade but migrated gradually
    • The Aryans were native to the area, or found there long before the alleged invasion
    • Hinduism originated solely in India

    There is ongoing controversy over which version of Hindu history is the correct one.

    Find out why the Aryan Invasion Theory is so controversial.

    Prehistoric religion: (3000-1000 BCE)
    The earliest evidence for elements of the Hindu faith dates back as far as 3000 BCE.

    Archaeological excavations in the Punjab and Indus valleys (right) have revealed the existence of urban cultures at Harappa, the prehistoric capital of the Punjab (located in modern Pakistan); and Mohenjo-daro on the banks of the River Indus.

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    Archaeological work continues on other sites at Kalibangan, Lothal and Surkotada.

    The excavations have revealed signs of early rituals and worship.

    • In Mohenjodaro, for example, a large bath has been found, with side rooms and statues which could be evidence of early purification rites.
    • Elsewhere, phallic symbols and a large number statues of goddesses have been discovered which could suggest the practice of early fertility rites.
    This early Indian culture is sometimes called the Indus Valley civilisation.

    Pre-classical (Vedic) (2000 BCE - 1000)
    Some time in the second millennium BCE the Aryan people arrived in north-west India.

    The Aryans (Aryan means noble) were a nomadic people who may have come to India from the areas around southern Russia and the Baltic.

    They brought with them their language and their religious traditions. These both influenced and were influenced by the religious practices of the peoples who were already living in India.

    Worship
    • The Indus valley communities used to gather at rivers for their religious rituals.
    • The Aryans gathered around fire for their rituals.
    • The Indus valley communities regarded rivers as sacred, and had both male and female gods.
    • The Aryan gods represented the forces of nature; the sun, the moon, fire, storm and so on.
    Over time, the different religious practices tended to blend together.

    Sacrifices were made to gods such as Agni, the God of Fire, and Indra, the God of storms.

    Writings
    Aspects of the Aryan faith began to be written down around 800 BCE in literature known as the Vedas. These developed from their oral and poetic traditions.

    You can see some of the Vedic tradition in Hindu worship today.

    The Caste System
    The Aryans also introduced the varna system (varna = estates or classes) to India, which may have contributed to the caste system we see today.

    Some think that it developed from a simpler two-tier structure consisting of nobles at the top, and everyone else below.

    Others say that it was established and practised by the priests who divided society into three parts:

    • The priests (or Brahmins).
    • The warriors (the Kshatriyas).
    • The ordinary people.

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  • purplesofa
    purplesofa
    Western InfluenceHinduism as it is known and recognised today has been greatly affected by the influence of western thought and practices.

    In the 18th and 19th centuries, missionaries from Europe attempted to convert Hindus to Christianity with varying degrees of success.

    This challenged Hindu leaders to reform many practices and in some cases, revive old practices.

    This period has been recognised as a period of Hindu revivalism.
  • Scully
    Scully
    Western InfluenceHinduism as it is known and recognised today has been greatly affected by the influence of western thought and practices.
    In the 18th and 19th centuries, missionaries from Europe attempted to convert Hindus to Christianity with varying degrees of success.
    This challenged Hindu leaders to reform many practices and in some cases, revive old practices.
    This period has been recognised as a period of Hindu revivalism.

    There's progress for you: Have a hissy fit over people converting to another belief system, so you turn back the clock a few hundred years and dredge up barbaric practices in the name of "reviving" your own beliefs.

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