When I first took the Beliefnet questionnaire to determine what religion I was, it came up Orthodox Jew. Not a surprise when I realized what little part Jesus played in the WTS theology. I remember studying the Greatest Man book and how refreshing it was not to have "Jehovah" the focus of every paragraph. It was then that I realized that Jesus never used "Jehovah" when he prayed to God and that Jesus said his followers would be witnesses of Jesus not "Jehovah."
This emphasis on "Jehovah" and the pushing of Jesus to the background started with Rutherford’s desire to establish the name "Jehovah’s Witnesses" and to push the Bible Student background of the WTS out of mind. Also, when all of them were anointed, their relationship with Jesus was more important since he was to be their husband, they the bride, and to rule in heaven together. With the appearance of the "great multitude" who Rutherford said did not have this relationship, Jesus had to drop by the wayside.
Poor jgnat, normally they would try to be nice to get the spouse to be a JW, but you are 1) a woman, of no value in the WTS hierarchy 2) a unsubmissive woman in their opinion at that. Your hubbie has to recognize who loves him and is loyal to him; and he knows it not the elders at the KH.
Who watches the GB? Some of them don’t think God or Jesus does based on their excuses for their serious errors, that they neither repent about or try to make amends. The GB functions like an overblown elders’ body, with backbiting, cowards, bullies, and those who try to follow Christ and find they have to where to go, since Christ is not there.
, hello, only an MS and privy to confidential information, eh? That is why I would never tell an elder anything I wasn’t comfortable having announced from the platform.
, how much did you win?
The good ones have left…….and the ones that try to stay and balance things are being booted. The elders that remain are complaining because there aren’t enough MS to do sound, accounts, attendants and the CO is making the elders do it, go back to the measly duties, and they feel humiliated. Some elders have even suggesting using sisters….they hate the idea of having to do it themselves.
Hey Gary, good points.
The Us and Them concept, we’re above the rank and file thinking……the fact that I see so many ex-elders in congregations refusing to step up to the plate again, shows how no amount of "double honor" will entice them to return. They get no honor from each other just abuse. So they lay back, get some time in, attend some meetings and relax.
It’s bad, but not that bad as the Nazis. So far the governments do not enforce the WTS in its decisions. They allow them to practice their religion. You can still leave the KH and have freedom from the WTS. I know they have some influence through JW family and JW friends, but it’s not all encompassing. For that to happen, the new system of the WTS, the "paradise" on earth would have to be here. Then it would be Nazi time.
A circuit overseer made a comment to me," It seems like we are scraping the bottom of the barrell".
Actually, now they aren’t even IN the barrel any more.
Printed it, 15 pages, wow! Let me know what they think. Will we see you on 8/19?
Hi, Flash, where ya been?
Paul did say that the Christians then were choosing him and other men to be disciples of. I never thought of connecting the Pharisee rule-making with Paul’s propensity to make rules. The elders are given leeway to make rules for the sake of "order" which ends up covering every rule they want to make.
*** w96 9/1 p. 20 par. 3 Living by the Law of the Christ ***
. And there is more. Jehovah’s organization, as well as individual congregations, has to establish necessary rules and procedures in order to preserve good order. (1 Corinthians 14:33, 40) Why, Christians could not even meet together if they had no rules as to when, where, and how to hold such meetings!
Hey, cathyk, I think I have seen your website out on Google. I sent you a PM on the fact that this change happened in 2000 about the same time several more WTS corporations were formed ostensibly to make it harder to sue. I was thinking too of days long ago, when the CO said that JWs were not publishers of books, that the WTS did that, that JWs were publishers of the good news. Evidently, they no longer think that way. It was strange the first time I saw that in a WT article, attriibuting a publication or a quote "published by Jehovah’s Witnesses." So starting in 2000 till now, you will not find "published by the WTS" in an article.
Hi, heathen, it just depends on how much people contribute. In some halls, they never "harass" because they get enough money to pay their bills. In some, they are always scraping by to pay the electric bill. Many times the CO will "suggest" that the elders pay up…so that leads to "kindly reminders." I have been in both kinds of congregations and closely related to the accounts servant in several. What a headache, robbing Peter to pay Paul. Some congregations even resort to robbing from the WTS (worldwide work donations) to pay their mortgage and electric bill. The WTS has printed warnings in the KMs that congregations cannot do that.
Ok, A Paduan, "let us discuss" refers to the elders saying that, not Blondie, eh? By the time the elders approach you with that statement, they have already discussed you with each other individually, the elder body as a whole, and some even their wives (and then the wives with the best friends). The decision has already been made.
Hi rassillon and welcome,
The 1919 date does not refer to the "slave" being initially identified. Since the inception of the WTS/Bible Students (early 1870’s) the slave was identified officially as all of the anointed, but unofficially and strongly as Charles Taze Russell. The WTS also felt that the "slave" started at 33 CE with the anointing of the 120 with holy spirit. What the WTS cannot say is who the slave was from 100 CE (death of the apostle John) and 1879 when the WTS began. The WTS teaches that the "slave" died between 1914 and 1918 due to persecution and fear of man and thus the WTS board of directors was put in prison; Christ came "to his temple" to inspect in 1918, found only the Bible Students doing his will, and resurrected them and reaffirmed his approval on them. So by 1919 the WTS teaches they were freed from Babylon the Great.
Good comments, I learn every week from you, Blondie