Celebrated WT scholars? :)

by Augustin 184 Replies latest watchtower bible

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step

    Scholar,

    The matter of being made to appear foolish on this board by the supposed arguments of clever apostates does not faze me at all because the True Religion was made up of those who were and are considered to be foolish in the eyes of worldlings according to the writer of the New Testament.

    Is this the reason that you finally removed from your personal signature your supposed scholarly achievments? BA? etc. etc. At one time you were very proud to hold your 'worldly' scholarly achivements above the foolish 'apostates' on this site. Perhaps it would be in keeping with your newly found desire to shed yourself of all 'worldy' respect to change your Board handle from 'Scholar' to 'Hypocrite'.

    HS

  • Forscher
    Forscher

    I think a couple of comments are in order here.
    While it is no secret that I am not all that fond of certain aspects of AlanF's debating style, I beleive I can say with assurance that Scholar has been well and truly had. AlanF has convinced me, and Dansk has confirmed it as well, that Jonsson's book has not only been properly reviewed, and favorably at that, by real scholars who have the authority to weigh in on the matter. What you forget, scholar, is that it is all about credentials. Those who have the proper credentials are the last word on such esoteric subject, and who don't aren't.
    The problem with Furuli critiquing Johnsson is that just doesn't have the training which qualifies him to authoritatively critique a work on Babylonian chronology. I am sure that in his rather narrow field (Hebrew verbs) Furuli can and does speak with a measure of authority which commands respect and attention in his field. However, out side of his field is another matter altogether.
    I know, Ph.D's do that all the time, and they are entitled to their opinions just as Furuli is to his. However, when they go outside their fields, you can't take them seriously unless somebody in that field endorses their conclusions. So far, the only comment I have avialable, the one presented in this thread, by an expert in the field of Babylonian studies doesn't endorse Furuli at all. Now the guy could be blowing smoke for all I know, but until I see creditable evidence to the contrary, I have to accept his critque.
    I've read the critique, and I get the same understanding of what the man is saying out of it that AlanF and his supporters do. And I say that as a matter of objectivity since I have nothing against Rolf Furuli at all.
    Really, Furuli needs to be careful about going outside of his field and making a possible ass out of himself. If he continues to risk his authority by weighing in on matters he has not the academic qualifications to expound on, and he gets his head handed to him on a platter by the experts in those fields, then he risks not being taken seriously in his own field. And that is professional suicide! He is welcome to his beliefs as far as I am concerned. But he does need to be very careful. And you need to check your premises as well. Your continued repetion of assertions with out creditble proof just makes you look foolish and gullible and does nothing for your arguement.
    Even I know better than to try that with AlanF!
    Respectfully
    Forscher

  • ringo5
    ringo5

    Ok, so here is my review of "scholars" performance so far in this thread...

    Once again we have an amateur who wants to rewrite scholarship. "scholars’s" expertise is admittedly unknown in terms of Semitic languages, and I'm sure he would admit, ‘My disadvantage is that I am neither a professional archaeoastronomer nor a historian’. This has not deterred him from supporting some radical re-interpretations of Achaemenid-period chronology and putting it forward boldly as an ‘Oslo chronology’. Part of the redating he supports is fairly modest: he accepts the beginning and end of Achaemenid rule according to the standard dating, and puts the beginning of Darius I’s reign only one year later than is conventional.

    Gifted amateurs have sometimes revolutionized scholarship, notably M. Ventris and Linear B. But Ventris was willing to work with specialists such as J. Chadwick whereas "scholar" shows little evidence of having put his theories to the test with specialists in Mesopotamian astronomy and Persian history. Perhaps the most telling point is his rather naive argument that the 70 years of Judaean captivity must be a literal 70 years of desolation of the land because some biblical passages make such a statement. Proof of his statements are promised; we shall see if it is any more convincing.

    Hope I didn't embarrass "scholar" too much with this glowing endorsement...

  • scholar
    scholar

    Forscher

    What you forget is that Furuli is a Semitic scholar and linguist and is full competent in studying the original documents. In other words he is able to work with the primary sources so he is able to examine transalations of such materials. Jonsson on the other hand cannot work with the original materials so he has to rely on other experts. Furuli unlike Jonsson is such an expert and that is why is research is now relevant.

    scholar JW

  • Calliope
    Calliope

    i'd like to know, if anyone has a figure,
    how many apostates has this celebrated scholar converted back to the wonderful world of jw-ism.
    hmmmmm?

    cal.

  • outoftheorg
    outoftheorg

    Celebrated

    cel/e-brat'ed = Renowned, famous,famed,noted,eminent (see distinguished)

    Scholar keeps refering to the Watch Towers, in house celebrated scholars.

    Why is it that no one knows them or has heard of them.

    Could it be that they do not exist?

    If the wbts is using non jw scholars, then the gov body is not the source of this information and it is not coming from Jehovah.

    Explain this Scholar.

    Outoftheorg

  • hillary_step
    hillary_step

    Scholar,

    What you forget is that Furuli is a Semitic scholar and linguist and is full competent in studying the original documents. In other words he is able to work with the primary sources so he is able to examine transalations of such materials. Jonsson on the other hand cannot work with the original materials so he has to rely on other experts. Furuli unlike Jonsson is such an expert and that is why is research is now relevant.

    What you cannot, or will not seem to grasp is that ypu impute to Furuli more scholarly weight in deciding these matters of chronology than he does himself. In this sense he has more humility as a teacher, than you do as his syncophantic student.

    His humility however does not make him right, just as your inflexible insistence that the whole world is wrong about the the dating of the first fall of Jerusalem but that the WTS correct, does not make you right.

    However many ad hominem attacks you direct at Jonnson, however much faith you rest in the religious pimps in Brooklyn that you pay your dues to, it cannot, nor will it bridge the gulf between the weight of evidence that weighs in favor of a 587/586BCE fall of Jerusalem, and the lack of evidence that weighs in favor of a 607BCE dating for this event....and what is more, you well know that.

    From a wiley poztate, to a hopeless case.

    HS

  • scholar
    scholar

    hilary_step

    I do not believe I overate Furuli because he has just recently completed his doctoral dissertation and has completed all necessary requirements to be considered as a bona fide scholar in his own right. I simply present the facts just as he has done about himself on his own website.

    What makes something true is whether it is supported by evidence and not the opinions or theories of multitude of scholars. The scholars in Jesus day despite their number and impressive weithy failed to discern the truth about Jesus as the promised Messiah. Similarly. present day scholars reject Jesus as the now reigning King installed in heaven in 1914 but the evidence proves conclusively that this is a fact.

    There is no evidence for the flip flop dates of 586 or 587 that mitigates against the biblical evidence for the year 607, our chronology is simple, base upon secular evidence and biblical history. The very fact that Jonsson and his cronies cannot determine a precise year for the Fall shows that the methodology used is faulty or is running to slow like an unwound clock. Jonsson's theories need to be taken to a clock repairer for some fine tuning wheras the timepiece of God used by celebrated WT scholars has been ticking from 607 through to 1914 and continues...tick...tock...tick..tock!

    scholar JW

    BA Deakin MA Sydney

  • outoftheorg
    outoftheorg

    Hey there Scholar.

    How about answering my question??

    Outoftheorg

  • scholar
    scholar

    Dansk

    I have revealed my identity so if you are so curious then read my posting history.

    I am glad you are enjoying the debate so keep reading and you will learn much. No I do not accept defeat because the evidence supports our Theology and Chronology and that is why I continue argue the truth about the Truth. Yes if you are learning from the posts by the more prominent apostates and if these attempts reinforce your prejudice and bias against the Lord's people then so be it. If you are impressed by flowery speech and the trickery of men then so be it because the Bible recognizes the simple fact that people would rather' believe the lie'.

    scholar JW

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