Do the GB REALLY get their "Food" from Jehovah?

by gumby 28 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • Mary
    Mary

    Actually, there's no such thing as New Light----it's a ridiculous inventive phrase made up by the WTS when their world end predictions didn't come to pass. Later it was used to explain away every one of their interpretations of the scriptures that cost the R&F dearly. The scripture they use to promote such a ridiculous idea has nothing to do with bible prophecy or interpretation of the scripture. Rather, it's talking about two pathways, one for the righteous person and one for the unrighteous person:

    (Proverbs 4:14-19) . . . 14 Into the path of the wicked ones do not enter, and do not walk straight on into the way of the bad ones. 15 Shun it, do not pass along by it; turn aside from it, and pass along. 16 For they do not sleep unless they do badness, and their sleep has been snatched away unless they cause someone to stumble. 17 For they have fed themselves with the bread of wickedness, and the wine of acts of violence is what they drink. But the path of the righteous ones is like the bright light that is getting lighter and lighter until the day is firmly established. 19 The way of the wicked ones is like the gloom; they have not known at what they keep stumbling.

    After reading this, nowhere can you possibly get the idea that Jehovah allows his "mouthpiece" here on earth to totally screw up every biblical prophecy known to mankind and then blame it on an immaterial thing called "new light". And as Gumby already mentioned, this 'spiritual food' that they dispense is for the most part, a cut and paste from worldly sources. Does that mean that Jehovah is guiding these worldly people in what to write at the same time that Satan is planting fake fossils in the ground?

  • gumby
    gumby

    Does that mean that Jehovah is guiding these worldly people in what to write

    Well, they have claimed that before Mary Magda-hotie.

    If you re-search what the Organisation has to say regarding how the bible was formed, you'll see they claim that even though it was done by a corrupted church, Jehovah "safeguarded" it so that it came to us unadulterated.

    They also use this reasoning with other adversaries of Jehovah such as pagan kings that Jehovah used to punish his people...eg; Nebuchadnezzar

    They speak out of both sides of their mouth as usual in saying Jehovah doesn't deal with the world since they are controlled by Satan.....then in another sentence they say Jehovah "uses" these wordly ones to his liking. They make Jehovah a player.....just like they themselves use people.

    Evidently, Jehovahs scholars such as Freddie Franz isn't good enough in that they use and quote from wordly scholars

    Gumby

  • Kaput
    Kaput

    Here's some earlier nutritious grub from Joe Hobah as provided to the GB for the R&F found on page 16, paragraph 8, of the October 1, 1978 WT:

    We clearly see militaristic elements of that "disgusting thing," the UN organization, poised to wreak havoc on the realm of Christendom. The socialistic powers make no secret about their hatred for religion --- "the opium of the people" as they call it. Make no mistake! At God's due time, the "horns" of the scarlet-colored wild beast, the UN, will turn on the empire of false religion --- that longtime blasphemer of Jehovah's name --- to devastate and destroy her.

    Hmmmm...if the UN hated religions that much, why has it allowed them to become associated as NGO's? Guess "the beast" is just gonna wait 'til the time's right to pull the ol' rug out from under 'em. Good thing Joe Hobah's holy spirit "moved" the WBTS to vacate just in time, eh?

  • Mary
    Mary

    Gumprophet said: They speak out of both sides of their mouth as usual in saying Jehovah doesn't deal with the world since they are controlled by Satan.....then in another sentence they say Jehovah "uses" these wordly ones to his liking
    LOL! No kidding......remember this stupid quote when we first studied the Revelation Climax book:

    ***

    re chap. 27 pp. 185-186 God’s Kingdom Is Born! ***

    Relief arrived from an unexpected source: "But the earth came to the woman’s help, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the river that the dragon disgorged from its mouth. And the dragon grew wrathful at the woman, and went off to wage war with the remaining ones of her seed, who observe the commandments of God and have the work of bearing witness to Jesus." (Revelation 12:16, 17) "The earth"—elements within Satan’s own system of things—began to swallow up "the river," or "flood." During the 1940’s the Witnesses gained a series of favorable decisions in the United States Supreme Court, and from ruling powers in some other lands, that upheld freedom of worship. Finally, the Allied nations swallowed up the Nazi-Fascist juggernaut, to the relief of the Witnesses who had suffered under cruel dictatorships.

    So Satan's own people started came to the rescue of Jehovah's people eh? It begs the question: Why would Satan allow this if it was he who was responsible for their persecution in the first place? Makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. My bookstudy conductor was ready to kill me by the time we got done that book because I consistenly pointed out mistakes or quotes that made no sense.

  • unclebruce
    unclebruce

    I found this article someone might have written:

    New Light

    from Old Books and Dead Opposers

    by Gary Busselman

    In support of their recent Biblical interpretation change concerning "this generation" (Matt. 24:34), the Governing Body (hereafter GB) of Jehovah's Witnesses submitted four documents. (Watchtower, 11/1/95, p. 12)

    Those were:

    1. Walter Bauer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament.

    2. W.E. Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words.

    3. J.H. Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament.

    4. The Theological Dictionary of the New Testament (1964), edited by Gerhard Kittle.

    After reading the November 1, 1995 Watchtower, my friend, Steven A. Hickey, pastor of Harvest Covenant Church in Sioux Falls, SD (also a Biblical scholar and theologian) asked me, "How do they get 'new light' from a guy who's been dead for a hundred years?" In my research that he inspired, I found that the GB often relies on "worldly wisdom" from old books and dead opposers, who were educated by, and members of "apostate Christendom." (Sorry folks, Watchtower language, not mine.) Here are some additional facts regarding these sources.

    1. Walter Bauer (1877-1960), German lexicographer. Taught at Gottingen from 1916 to 1945. (Wycliffe Biographical Dictionary of the Church, 1982, Moody Press, Chicago.)

    2. William Edwy Vine (1873-1949), vocal OPPOSER of Jehovah's Witnesses, called their teachings of conditional salvation, the denials of the Deity of Christ, and the Trinity heresies. [Vine was appealed to by the Watchtower 52 times in their encyclopedic Insight on the Scriptures alone.] Greek scholar, educator, editor, pastor and author, educated at University College of Wales; BA & MA in "Ancient Classics" from University of London, pastor at Manvers Hall Church in Bath for 40 years. Celebrated Christmas, believed in Hell and that Christ is God, that He died on a CROSS, it is proper to address Him in prayer, and that all believers partake in the Lord's Supper.

    Vine denied the concept of an early Christian "organization," and a "selective" resurrection. He wrote two volumes on the "End Times" and the parousia. Vine taught that parousia should not be translated at all and that it (parousia) will start with the rapture of the Church, (when believers meet Christ in the air) and it will end with the manifestation of Christ in glory. (Publisher's Forward of Vine's Expository, 1981 ed. and W.E. Vine, His Life and Ministry, Oliphants LTD, London, 1951)

    3. Joseph Henry Thayer (1828 -1901), New Testament lexicographer, born in Boston, MA, College at Harvard and seminary at Andover. Ordained a pastor in the Congregational Church in 1859. Professor of sacred literature at Andover Theological Seminary (1864-1882). Lecturer at Harvard Divinity School (1883-1901). Instrumental in founding the American School of Oriental Research in Jerusalem. (Wycliffe Biographical Dictionary of the Church, 1982, Moody Press, Chicago.)

    4. Gerhard Kittle (1888-1948), German biblical scholar, born in Breslau, Germany. Instructor at Kiel (1913) and Leipzig (1917), professor of New Testament at Greifswalg (1921-1926) (ibid. p. 229)

    Similarly, the Watchtower publication Insight On The Scriptures, vol. 1, p. 440 applies for credibility citing the following sources of "worldly wisdom":

    1. Strong's Exhaustive Concordance of the Bible, James Strong (1822-1894), Methodist biblical scholar and educator. A member of the Anglo-American Bible Revision Committee. (Wycliffe Biographical Dictionary of the Church, 1982, Moody Press, Chicago, p. 385)

    2. Edward Robinson's Greek and English Lexicon, Edward Robinson (1794-1863), American biblical scholar, studied at Hamilton College and learned Greek at Andover Theological Seminary. Did much research and theological writing. (Who Was Who in Church History, Moody Press, Chicago, 1962.)

    What do these Watchtower sources all have in common?

    a. They are all dead. (Long-time dead men don't usually write, call or show up on videos.)

    b. They were all college educated (unlike most Witnesses I know). And they read Greek and Hebrew (unlike all Witnesses I know).

    c. None were Jehovah's Witnesses. All were students of, and/or members of "Christendom."

    d. All were writers of what the Watchtower calls "wisdom of the world."

  • katiekitten
    katiekitten
    where do they go for information? Is it not from christendoms books and from secular books?
    Yes, From the UN library....

    ROFLMAO!!!! I used to think that the 'writing committee' - who were not a bunch of people in my mind, but a sort of globulous mass of holiness, would pray for hours and hours, and then get some new light which they would write up under direct guidance from Jehovah. (im not sure how that bit worked but I sort of thought it involved rays of light from heaven and holy biros). I kid you not. I honestly thought that.

  • greendawn
    greendawn

    My view is that anything good in the JW writings comes from other sources and anything original the JWs produce is no good. That is astonishing considering the FDS claim of being uniquely inspired by God.

    They have apparently failed to produce a single worthwhile piece of novel truth in 120 years and I am sure they themselves know that their unique position as God's only channel on earth is a very cunning piece of mythology.

  • gumby
    gumby
    My view is that anything good in the JW writings comes from other sources and anything original the JWs produce is no good. That is astonishing considering the FDS claim of being uniquely inspired by God.

    Another pearl of wisdom from greendawn. How true!

    The Generation change was needless. It was there the whole time in christendoms literature, but the society chose a definition that would later bite them in the ass since armageddon never showed.

    Gumby

  • IW
    IW

    "O yes I'm the Great Pretender!" is the GB's true song! They are sterile and are as connected to God as the green grass is.

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