I don't know her exact age but I am guessing she is in her mid-40's. She can't be that old-she went to Bethel at 18.
Should I ask if she is one of the Annointed?
What if she wants to know why I ask?
Pioneer Sister is Even Confused about The Annointed...Now I'm Confused!
by stillAwitness 21 Replies latest social relationships
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carla
Would it be considered rude to ask in dubland? Why? Isn't there a wt quote somewhere that says part of your salvation depends on how you treat the 'annointed'? Wouldn't this include all annointed and not just the gb?
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Pistoff
The article from 1987 is a masterpiece of convoluted reasoning, and missed realization.
First, it assumes that when answering the Pharisees about the seven husbands, that the place of the future was EARTH!. The support scriptures for this include only references to being resurrected after an untimely death, and to Sheol. How do these scriptures support that idea?
Then this gem:
What reasons underlie this view? Those questioning Jesus did not believe in him or know about a heavenly resurrection. They asked about a Jewish family under the Law.
Ok; so how would Jesus answer them? According to their own possibly errant hope for the future, or according to what he know would happen?
Of course, he said that when THAT system is attained, one is like an angel, would not die and is not given in marriage. Or, in other words, angels do not have gender.
But in the WT world, at least most of future's wonder of resurrection must be available to even the lowly great crowd, and so they make the ridiculous conclusion that this applies also to those resurrected in the new system. So you would have:
Those who survive: You can have SEX and have families.
Those who are resurrected: NO SEX FOR YOU, and no kids. But hey, you are like the angels, and are not given in marriage.
So once again in the new system there is 2 classes of people??
This is such a junk article; I recommend it to all who need some comedy.
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Pistoff
Here is an indication of the articles' reasoning power:
" Some have felt that Jesus was here referring to the heavenly resurrection, yet there are reasons to believe that his reply was about the earthly resurrection in the coming "system of things." What reasons underlie this view? Those questioning Jesus did not believe in him or know about a heavenly resurrection. (How do they know this?) They asked about a Jewish family under the Law. In reply Jesus referred to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, men who hoped for life again on earth. (WHAT does this have to do with Jesus' answer? The article implies that they were mistaken in their hope for the future; would Jesus give them an answer that perpetuates their ignorance?? He gave them an answer about HEAVEN!) (Genesis 42:38; Job 14:13-15; compare Hebrews 11:19.) Those patriarchs, and millions of others, who are raised on earth and who prove faithful will be "like the angels." Though mortal, they will not die once God has declared them righteous for endless life."(Of course, this does NOT make them like the angels; angels go through no such declaration for endless life.)
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rebel8
Pistoff, any chance you would be able to post the article if you've got the time? I hate to ask, but I can't find it anywhere!
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daniel-p
This is a stellar example of how the FDS dig themselves into a hole in attempting to explain every scripture. They come with some half-assed explanation that satisfies no one.
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greendawn
They don't understand what the spirit life is like it is altogether a different and more powerful and all embracing dimension and people do not relate to each other as they do in the physical dimension.
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darth frosty
This is the ultimate conundrum for witnesses. They say Jesus' words are for those ressurected but what about all those that gave up their prospects for marriage to served Jah ( jeptha's daughter, The virgin that use to keep david warm when he got old and others.) Now in theory they gave up the pleasures of the flesh to better serve Jah and looked forward to him blessing them in the future paradise. Imagine being one of these and finding out in the paradise you were so looking forqward to you cant finally have the family that you yearned for.As far as the annointed. I remember when I was at Bethel at one time they talked about the chance that in the new system the annointed could possibly interact with their brethen here on Earth. The theory was presented that maybe certain annointed would act as emmisaries betweeen christ and the R&F (sounded like saints to me.) They backed off this quickly.
And lastly, as far as the ressurected being like Angels. Didn't the Angels look down on the daughters of men and start to get horny, made bodies for themselves and start spitting game to the women's of that era?
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job
Sometimes I think we are a little unfair/or superior, try this. Go ask a priest, deacon, father,or leader of any church and see what lame explanation they give, if any. If anyone out there believes in heaven maybe you can try and answer the question.
LOVE JOB.
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BluesBrother
Confusing.. we seem to have a situation re. the anointed and an answer relating to eartly hopes.
I understand that husband has died.. So if he was 'anointed' and she was not, they would not expect to see each other again. If she too were anointed then , I thought they say themselves as "Married to Christ" so what is she worried about?
If she expected to see husband back here on earth, then the conversation makes a little more sense. Certainly, the teaching is that the Ress. do not marry and she may indeed hope to be friends.
As you say, it is sad, very sad that so many live their lives in expectation of promises that will never be fulfilled. I guesss we have all known a lot like that, and the older that ones companions get, the more hopeless it seems but the more determined they seem to be.??
Here is that article that somebody referred to.
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w87 6/1 pp. 30-31 Questions From Readers ***Questions
From Readers?
Is it wise for a Christian whose mate has died to remain single in the hope of being reunited in the future?How fine it is that a Christian should feel love for his or her mate even after that one has died! Some in this situation have remained single, not because of being content with singleness, but in hopes of resuming the marriage after the resurrection. While not being insensitive to the human feelings behind those hopes, we encourage such ones to consider some Biblical points.
For instance, bearing on the matter are the apostle Paul’s words: "A wife is bound during all the time her husband is alive. But if her husband should fall asleep in death, she is free to be married to whom she wants, only in the Lord. But she is happier if she remains as she is." (1 Corinthians 7:39, 40) This shows that the marital bond ends when one’s mate dies. It was a kindness for God to inform Christians of this, for thus widows and widowers can weigh their emotional and other needs in deciding whether to remarry; they are not bound to the deceased.—1 Corinthians 7:8, 9.
Does the Bible, though, indicate whether resurrected ones will be able to marry or to resume a previous marriage that was ended by a death? One account seems to bear on this question. It involved Sadducees who, while not even believing in the resurrection, came to Jesus trying to entrap him. They presented this problem involving brother-in-law marriage: "There were seven brothers; and the first took a wife and died childless. So the second, and the third took her. Likewise even the seven: they did not leave children behind, but died off. Lastly, the woman also died. Consequently, in the resurrection, of which one of them does she become the wife?"—Luke 20:27-33; Matthew 22:23-28.
Christians are not under the Law, but a similar difficulty could be raised concerning them. For example: Brother and Sister C—— were married and had two children. Then he died. Sister C—— loved and deeply missed him, but she felt a need for companionship, financial support, sexual expression, and help with the children. So she married Brother M——, which union was as Scriptural as the first. Later he became ill and died. If the former mates were resurrected and marriage were possible, whom might she marry?
Consider Jesus’ response to the Sadducees: "The children of this system of things marry and are given in marriage, but those who have been counted worthy of gaining that system of things and the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage. In fact, neither can they die anymore, for they are like the angels, and they are God’s children by being children of the resurrection. But that the dead are raised up even Moses disclosed . . . when he calls Jehovah ‘the God of Abraham and God of Isaac and God of Jacob.’ He is a God, not of the dead, but of the living, for they are all living to him."—Luke 20:34-38; Matthew 22:29-32.
Some have felt that Jesus was here referring to the heavenly resurrection, yet there are reasons to believe that his reply was about the earthly resurrection in the coming "system of things." What reasons underlie this view? Those questioning Jesus did not believe in him or know about a heavenly resurrection. They asked about a Jewish family under the Law. In reply Jesus referred to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, men who hoped for life again on earth. (Genesis 42:38; Job 14:13-15; compare Hebrews 11:19.) Those patriarchs, and millions of others, who are raised on earth and who prove faithful will be "like the angels." Though mortal, they will not die once God has declared them righteous for endless life.
Human emotions today might make this a difficult conclusion to accept. But it is to be noted that nowhere does the Bible say that God’s resurrecting the faithful means restoring their marital status. Hence, no one believes that if Aquila and Priscilla have gained life in heaven, they have resumed their marriage. (Acts 18:2) And Joseph and Mary will evidently live in different realms—he on earth and she in heaven. (John 19:26; Acts 1:13, 14) Since none of us have lived in heaven, we cannot say what feelings Aquila, Priscilla, and Mary might have there, yet we can be sure of their finding full contentment in their heavenly service.
Similarly, we have never lived as perfect humans. Thus we cannot be sure how we will feel about past relationships if and when we gain perfect human life in a paradise. It is good for us to remember that when Jesus made that statement he was a perfect human and therefore in a better position than we to appreciate the feelings of those who are "counted worthy of gaining that system of things." We can also trust that Jesus is able to ‘sympathize with our present weaknesses.’ (Hebrews 4:15) So if a Christian finds it hard to accept the conclusion that resurrected ones will not marry, he can be sure that God and Christ are understanding. And he can simply wait to see what occurs.
There is no reason now to overemphasize this matter. The psalmist wrote: "Know that Jehovah is God. It is he that has made us, and not we ourselves. We are his people and the sheep of his pasturage . . . Give thanks to him, bless his name. For Jehovah is good." (Psalm 100:3-5) Our good God will certainly provide amply for our true needs if we are "counted worthy of gaining that system of things."—Job 34:10-12; Psalm 104:28; 107:9.
God’s goodness is reflected also in his informing us that the death of a mate concludes the marriage. (Romans 7:2) Thus anyone who has lost a mate can know that he or she is free to remarry now if that seems needed or best. Some have remarried, thereby helping to fill their own present needs and those of their family. (1 Corinthians 7:36-38; Ephesians 6:1-4) Consequently, a Christian whose mate has died should not feel obliged to remain mateless now out of an expectation that former marriage mates will be reunited in the resurrection to life here on earth in the coming system.
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If an Israelite died before his wife brought forth a son who could receive the inheritance, the man’s brother had to marry the widow with the view of producing a son by her.—Deuteronomy 25:5-10.