"AHA! AHA! OUR EYE HAS SEEN IT!" (page 6)

You Know

Would you say that your theological beliefs on the position of the WTS in Gods purpose has changed at all the past 18 months?

My understanding of God's purpose is always changing as I continue studying his book. / You Know

D wiltshire

YK,

If it's always changing then why are you so dogmatic.

I'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean I beleive it.

wannahelp

You know:

Huh? Sounds like circular logic to me, but then again, it also sounds like you don't have any faith in the GB, but still believe in the JW's??

I think what you really are feeling is that the WTS isn't god's chosen channel.. What you are feeling is the beginning of the holy spirit bringing you to god.. (No need for men to do it, he is quite capable of doing it himself!!!)...

Congratulations.. It sounds like you are farther along in your spiritual awakening than I originally thought..

Now all ya gotta do is realize what circular logic is, and you'll be able to truly think for yourself!!!

Congrats my friend!!!!

hillary_step

Hi YK,

Thank you for your post and comment, which unfortunately did not attend to the question I asked.

Would you say that your theological beliefs on the position of the WTS in Gods purpose has changed at all the past 18 months?

I will not be disturbed if you decide not to answer, but I repeat the question again just in case you missed it.

Anyway, YK, it is Friday night, shelve the eye patch, put Dylan's 'Infidels'( I am told that you are a fan), on the whirley thing, pour yourself a glass of Chianti, and relax. You can always save the world next week.

Have a good weekend - HS

Shane

Destructive mind control can be understood in terms of four basic components, which form the acronym BITE:

I. Behavior Control
II. Information Control
III. Thought Control
IV. Emotional Control

I. Behavior Control

1. Regulation of individual’s physical reality
a. Where, how and with whom the member lives and associates with
b. What clothes, colors, hairstyles the person wears
c. What food the person eats, drinks, adopts, and rejects
d. How much sleep the person is able to have
e. Financial dependence
f. Little or no time spent on leisure, entertainment, vacations

2. Major time commitment required for indoctrination sessions and group rituals

3. Need to ask permission for major decisions

4. Need to report thoughts, feelings and activities to superiors

5. Rewards and punishments (behavior modification techniques- positive and negative).

5. Individualism discouraged; group think prevails

6. Rigid rules and regulations

7. Need for obedience and dependency

II. Information Control

1. Use of deception
a. Deliberately holding back information
b. Distorting information to make it acceptable
c. Outright lying

2. Access to non-cult sources of information minimized or discouraged

a. Books, articles, newspapers, magazines, TV, radio
b. Critical information
c. Former members
d. Keep members so busy they don’t have time to think

3. Compartmentalization of information; Outsider vs. Insider doctrines

a. Information is not freely accessible
b. Information varies at different levels and missions within pyramid
c. Leadership decides who "needs to know" what

4. Spying on other members is encouraged

a. Pairing up with "buddy" system to monitor and control
b. Reporting deviant thoughts, feelings, and actions to leadership

5. Extensive use of cult generated information and propaganda

a. Newsletters, magazines, journals, audio tapes, videotapes, etc.
b. Misquotations, statements taken out of context from non-cult sources

6. Unethical use of confession

a. Information about "sins" used to abolish identity boundaries
b. Past "sins" used to manipulate and control; no forgiveness or absolution

III. Thought Control

1. Need to internalize the group’s doctrine as "Truth"

a. Map = Reality
b. Black and White thinking
c. Good vs. evil
d. Us vs. them (inside vs. outside)

2. Adopt "loaded" language (characterized by "thought-terminating clichés"). Words are the tools we use to think with. These "special" words constrict rather than expand understanding. They function to reduce complexities of experience into trite, platitudinous "buzz words".

3. Only "good" and "proper" thoughts are encouraged.

4. Thought-stopping techniques (to shut down "reality testing" by stopping "negative" thoughts and allowing only "good" thoughts); rejection of rational analysis, critical thinking, constructive criticism.

a. Denial, rationalization, justification, wishful thinking
b. Chanting
c. Meditating
d. Praying
e. Speaking in "tongues"
f. Singing or humming

5. No critical questions about leader, doctrine, or policy seen as legitimate

6. No alternative belief systems viewed as legitimate, good, or useful

IV. Emotional Control

1. Manipulate and narrow the range of a person’s feelings.

2. Make the person feel like if there are ever any problems it is always their fault, never the leader’s or the group’s.

3. Excessive use of guilt

a. Identity guilt

1. Who you are (not living up to your potential)
2. Your family
3. Your past
4. Your affiliations
5. Your thoughts, feelings, actions

b. Social guilt
c. Historical guilt

4. Excessive use of fear

a. Fear of thinking independently
b. Fear of the "outside" world
c. Fear of enemies
d. Fear of losing one’s "salvation"
e. Fear of leaving the group or being shunned by group
f. Fear of disapproval

5. Extremes of emotional highs and lows.

6. Ritual and often public confession of "sins".

7. Phobia indoctrination : programming of irrational fears of ever leaving the group or even questioning the leader’s authority. The person under mind control cannot visualize a positive, fulfilled future without being in the group.

a. No happiness or fulfillment "outside"of the group
b. Terrible consequences will take place if you leave: "hell"; "demon possession"; "incurable diseases"; "accidents"; "suicide"; "insanity"; "10,000 reincarnations"; etc.
c. Shunning of leave takers. Fear of being rejected by friends, peers, and family.
d. Never a legitimate reason to leave. From the group’s perspective, people who leave are: "weak"; "undisciplined"; "unspiritual"; "worldly"; "brainwashed by family, counselors"; seduced by money, sex, rock and roll.

larc

You Know,

You and I have had our run in's from time to time, but I am glad to see one thing you wrote, and that is that you do not put your trust in men, but in Jehovah.

Just like all Jehovah's Witnesses are not cut from the same cloth, neither are those who choose to leave. I don't consider someone like Bill Bowen, who could only rectify the wrong by leaving, to be a bad person. You Know, living and making choices is very complicated. Of course, you knew that already.

Hillary,

You wrote some fine words to You Know. I think he understands your sincerity.

You Know

Hillary, You wrote some fine words to You Know. I think he understands your sincerity.

Yes, I agree. His wholesome and timely heartfelt advice, to put on a Dylan cd, was particularly appreciated. / You Know

D wiltshire

YK,

I'm a devout Dylan lover BTW, and I think I got all most everything he's recorded,(well I got a lot).

Hey if you ever want to start a thread on that I think you get some interesting replies.

My wife hates him with a capital H, so I play loud when she out of the house.

I'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean I beleive it.

You Know

Photo if D. Wilt on patio wagging "tail" wanting to make friends with YK. >>>>

D wiltshire

Actually Yes,

I'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean I beleive it.

"AHA! AHA! OUR EYE HAS SEEN IT!"

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