"Extremely helpful in a spiritual way"

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  • startingover
    startingover

    Just wanted to share one of those witness to witness emails with all you apostates.

    Dear friends,

    The following report was sent to me by a very close personal
    friend who lives in Durban, South Africa and who wanted to share notes
    from a special talk held there two days ago. I believe you will find the
    information (even in brief notes) extremely helpful in a spiritual way.
    Perhaps you know some in your own circle who would benefit from the
    comments about our young ones and the direction they may need.

    Your Christian Brother,

    xxxxxxxxxxx

    Meeting of member of Governing Body yesterday attended by over 9,100 at
    Roodepoort Athletic Stadium. South Africa

    Sunday 22 January 2006 Special Talk By Brother David Splane of the
    Governing Body at Roodepoort Stadium

    Background to David Splane: David Splane started pioneering in September
    1963. A graduate of the 42nd class of Gilead (in 1966), he served as a
    missionary in Senegal, Africa, then for 19 years in the circuit work in
    Canada. He and his wife, Linda, have been at Bethel in the United States
    since 1990, where Brother Splane has worked in the Service and Writing
    departments. Since 1998, he had been a helper to the Writing Committee.
    He was appointed to the Governing Body in October 1999.
    (See Watchtower of January 1, 2000, page 29)

    9:30am Welcome by Pieter de Heer (SA Branch Committee) Song 2 and opening
    prayer by John Mnisi of the Bethel family

    9:40am Watchtower Summary by Martin le Roux; translated into Sesotho by
    Alfred Phatswana

    10:20am Song 47 & Announcements

    10:30am Special Talk: “Should You Wear Saul’s Armor?” by David Splane;
    translated into Zulu by Arthur Bhengu.

    Introduction: During the last few months various countries of Africa have
    been visited; they, along with the Governing Body send their love and
    greetings to all here in attendance. In the Congo not all congregations
    can be reached by road. Depots are established and brothers on bicycles
    from the congregations come to fetch the literature. So, congregations
    only get as much literature for placement as the elder can carry on his
    head while he rides the bicycle home. Congo (DRC) has the fourth largest
    Memorial attendance in the world (777,460 in 2005) and this is despite
    all the difficulties they face. One congregation reported 1,050 in
    attendance; they held three Memorials with over 300 each attending. The
    branch even wrote back to them since they were skeptical about the total,
    thinking it to be 105! The rest of the countries of Africa don’t have the
    ‘luxuries’ of South Africa. Brothers face many economical and political
    problems eg in Togo recently the borders were closed for a while. How
    wonderful to see the love between the locals and the missionaries and to
    see that we’re part of a beautiful international brotherhood.

    Saul was a very big man. A handsome man, standing head and shoulders
    taller than all others of his nation. Eliab was another physically
    imposing man. Eliab’s appearance and the height of his stature so
    impressed Samuel that he concluded this one was God’s choice for the
    kingship. Jehovah, though, had rejected Eliab. When Goliath tempted the
    nation of Israel then perhaps Saul and Eliab should have gone up against
    him. 1 Sam 17:4 describes the size of Goliath (about 3m in height). 1 Sam
    17:5 describes him as having a helmet of copper and a coat of mail. (His
    copper coat of mail weighed 5,000 shekels or 57 kg; see Insight volume 1
    page 984.) Goliath had an interesting tactic: for 40 days he went back
    and forth to Israel’s camp (all could see his strength). 1 Sam 17:8 shows
    how Goliath challenged the Israelites: “Then he stood still and began to
    call to the battle lines of Israel and say to them: “Why do YOU come out
    to draw up in battle formation? Am I not the Philistine and YOU servants
    belonging to Saul? Choose a man for yourselves, and let him come down to
    me.” His goal? Intimidation (basically: “look we’re strong and you’re
    weak.”) What about Saul and Eliab, these two strong and imposing men?
    They were big cowards despite their size. No one wanted to take on
    Goliath. David was shocked that Goliath threatened Jehovah’s people. 1
    Sam
    17:33 Saul told David: “You are but a boy!” No one else volunteered to
    take on Goliath, so Saul agreed that David go up against him. 1 Sam
    17:38 shows that Saul gave David his suit of armor to try for use against
    Goliath. Saul put his own copper helmet on David. That huge helmet must
    have slipped down passed his nose and ears! David couldn’t wear Saul’s
    armor. Did David need the armor? If that was all that was needed to win
    against Goliath, then Saul or Eliab could have used their own armor
    against Goliath. Clearly, it was not enough. David decided to try
    something he was comfortable with. In 1 Sam 17:40 it says he chose five
    smooth stones and a slingshot. Think: Who tries to go up against a giant
    with a slingshot? 1 Sam 17:42 shows that Goliath despised David for his
    attack: “Now when the Philistine looked and saw David, he began despising
    him because he proved to be a boy and ruddy, of beautiful appearance.”
    Goliath didn’t see David’s secret weapon! This weapon was the ‘name of
    Jehovah.’ (1 Sam 17:45) Saul and Eliab had also not realized this. Saul
    was right (verse 33) in that David could not fight Goliath alone-Jehovah
    of armies had to be there to back him.

    Why is this discussion of David and Goliath good for us today? We all
    have ‘giants’ to face. We will never overcome these giants with the help
    of worldly things. Don’t rely on Saul’s armor! We can say that Saul’s
    armor is seeking the protection of the world and its means. Are you sure
    that worldly wisdom cannot solve our struggle with giants? Let’s look at
    three giants that we face and notice how the world’s wisdom does not
    help.

    [1] Economic giant: Thousands of our brothers face the giant of economic
    problems. The world keeps them working long hours. Parents want the best
    for their children. Do we use Saul’s armor or do we follow Jehovah’s way?

    The world says the answer is higher education. Some spend four, six, or
    even eight years pursuing the world’s higher education. The result: They
    are effectively cut off from Jehovah’s organization and congregation for
    that time period. Back in 1992 Jehovah’s organization published some
    direction. (Watchtower of November 1, 1992) Interesting article on
    education. The point was that we should have a balanced view of
    education. Interestingly, the words “higher education” never once
    appeared in that article; it used a term “supplementary” education. This
    means a short course of perhaps a few months, or even a year, or maybe a
    little longer, in order to adequately take care of their needs. Do we see
    the wisdom of that counsel? Today, millions of university graduates are
    without work. In Paris it’s said that one can’t find a plumber-yes, many
    have computer science degrees, but when the pipes burst a computer
    science degree doesn’t fix them!

    Remember, David chose five smooth stones. What is the point? Read Matthew
    6:33: “Keep on seeking first the Kingdom…” Notice, the word “first” is
    used. This is our priority in life. If we don’t put the Kingdom first
    Jehovah will let us do it. That’s our choice. But, if we put the Kingdom
    first then we’ll have Jehovah’s blessing. A balanced, simple life is what
    we strive for. 1 Tim 6:8 says to ALL of us, not just pioneers and
    Bethelites, that we should be content with sustenance and covering. Being
    content with such will help us cut down that economic giant to size.
    Jehovah will sustain us at the right ‘level’-it’s not our decision as to
    the level he will sustain us. Parents may be ‘intimidated’ by what other
    kids have. But, what do we mean by ‘adequate provision’? Deut 2:7
    describes what happened to Israel as they went through the wilderness.
    Jehovah blessed them and “you have not lacked a thing.” Jehovah supported
    them. What did they eat? Manna, morning noon and night and even for a
    midnight snack. (Just think of your favorite food. Sometimes we say we
    love it so much we could live on it for a month. What about 40 years like
    the Israelites?) Yet, the Bible account says they lacked not a thing!
    This is Jehovah’s view of material things. We’ve all eaten this morning
    and we all have clothes on today. How much education was needed for you
    to have these things? The secret is to learn to live within your means.
    But, you may reason: “What if I have a family now to raise?” Will Jehovah
    look after you? What if we think he won’t? Just imagine what we’re really
    saying: We tell Jehovah that if we serve him (eg pioneering, Bethel) for
    five or ten years, then he can’t care for us if need to find work! But
    pioneers have a secret weapon: in the name of Jehovah of armies.
    Experience: A couple had been at Bethel for 18 years. The wife fell
    pregnant and the husband only had his 12 years of high school education
    behind him. What does he do now? He now works for a company that only
    hires people with university degrees. And our brother is the one who
    decides who of them is hired and fired!

    Are such things impossible? Jehovah just loves things that are
    ‘impossible.’ It gives him an opportunity to show how he can help.
    Worldly companies do nothing for you. Perhaps you work many nights
    overtime or over weekends. When the company scales down, don’t expect
    that loyalty back from them. Jehovah, however, will always remain loyal
    to us and will never abandon us.

    [2] Peer pressure giant: It’s not always easy for young ones to stand up
    for Jehovah. The temptation to blend in as best as possible is great. 1
    Sam
    17:9 gives that taunt of Goliath. What is the lesson? Read it again. What
    does it say? If you don’t fight the giant you become a slave of the giant
    (the world). We need the complete suit of armor from God. Eph 6:11 says
    to put on the complete suit of armor… and to stand firm against
    machinations of the Devil. Need to make a firm stand against the world
    and we can do this with the help of the suit of armor. Don’t be afraid to
    represent Jehovah’s name at school.

    Experience: Jason (17) was a typical teenager. He loved Jehovah, but he
    was shy. One day he encountered Monica from his school (most popular girl
    in the school and very talkative) in the magazine work on Saturday
    morning. He knew that on Monday the school would know that he was there
    at her house with the Watchtower and Awake! He considered his options (be
    sick for a week; grow a mustache and move to Mexico), but decided to
    confront the ‘giant’ and prepared himself for the big teasing on Monday
    morning. Sure enough, one of the boys come up to him to ask him about it.
    What did Jason say? “Yes, I was there, and I don’t appreciate your tone;
    I’m going to get your address and come to your house next week!” He
    overcame his ‘giant’ of peer pressure!

    Experience: Lesley (12) was tired of waiting for the kids at the
    beginning of the year to find out that she was a Jehovah’s Witness, so
    she decided that on the first day she’d sort it out. She asked the
    teacher if anyone had told her she was a Witness. The teacher said ‘no’
    and Lesley asked if she had any questions about the Witnesses. The
    teacher had none, but later asked Lesley to come to her house to answer
    some questions she had- condition: No adults. Lesley studied with her
    teacher for a year. Later she came to the hall, and asked for an adult to
    complete her study with her. The final result: three teachers and two
    secretaries are all now Witnesses because of Lesley’s preaching-she
    overcame the ‘giant’ of peer pressure.

    Parents: Help your children to defend themselves. Make sure that your
    children do personal study and attend all the meetings. Don’t let them
    miss meetings for school homework, etc. Meeting attendance and field
    service are not an option. Some parents are reluctant to insist that
    their children go; they say that they prefer that it comes from the
    child’s heart. Jeremiah 17:9 says that the heart is more treacherous than
    anything else. Can you allow your child’s heart to move them? No, they
    need your direction.

    Make sure you take them to the meetings and that you go, no matter how
    tired you may be. Eg. Governing Body meetings on a Wednesday and many
    letters might need to be sent to branches afterward. They also have their
    (David and Linda Splane) School and Service Meeting on a Wednesday. Many
    times would rather stay at home, but after the meeting they are refreshed
    and even want to go out for coffee afterwards. Is it reasonable to allow
    children to allow children to decide on such matters as important as
    their spiritual welfare? Consider if your child started a temporary job
    at McDonald’s. On the first morning you wake him up and he says he’s too
    tired to go to work or he has other things to do. Would you call the
    manager and say that in your household you prefer to have the children’s
    own heart move them to do something and that you’re sure that after
    working on him for a while he’d be ready to go to work out of his own?
    What would the manager do? He’d get someone else! So, what would you
    rather do? You’d tell him to get up, get dressed, and get to work! So,
    why don’t you do that with spiritual things?

    [3] Ourselves: Sometimes we’re our own worst enemy. We become our own
    giant. True, many did not grow up in an ideal family situation. Some may
    be tormented by their past. (It’s like a little voice in your ear saying:
    You’re no good!) But who really wants to destroy our self-respect? Satan
    wants this. Satan wants everything of Jehovah’s to be destroyed. We are
    Jehovah’s creation; he wants us to die. Jehovah made the earth-Satan
    teaches that it will be burnt up. Jehovah instituted marriage-Satan says
    you don’t have to get married; you can just live together. If you accuse
    yourself then you’re doing the Devil’s work.

    Ahaz was 11 when he had his first son. He had absolutely no experience as
    a parent. Hezekiah (Ahaz’s son) got passed that terrible childhood and
    served Jehovah. (His father had sacrificed some of Hezekiah’s brothers.)
    He didn’t use it as an excuse. He didn’t turn out like his father-you’re
    not condemned to repeat the mistakes of your parents.

    The world turns to psychiatrists to help them cope with problems. But you
    have a secret weapon (unknown to the world’s psychiatrists)-the name of
    Jehovah. We have something in addition to what the world offers-
    Jehovah’s support. Remember, we’re not saying that if you’re suffering
    mentally you cannot seek medical assistance. But, remember, that we
    control what we allow our minds to dwell on. Phil 4:6-8 shows that the
    peace of God will excel all thought… if we allow it to. Learn to allow
    that peace to excel your thoughts. Phil 4:6 says we’re not to be anxious
    over anything. No problem is unsolvable; some will be solved now and
    other problems will only be solved in the new world. Paul said that if
    we’re anxious we should pray. Remember, though, when praying to include
    thanksgiving and to count your blessings. Pray too for wisdom so that you
    can make good decisions. Phil 4:8 continues to list the things we need to
    consider: “…whatever things are true, whatever things are of serious
    concern, whatever things are righteous, whatever things are chaste,
    whatever things are lovable, whatever things are well spoken of, whatever
    virtue there is and whatever praiseworthy thing there is…” Allow your
    thoughts to dwell on these things and remain positive.

    Conclusion: We all face many problems. We even face an enemy greater than
    Goliath-Satan’s world. We need to put on, not Saul’s armor, but the
    complete suit of armor. Don’t allow the enemy to intimidate us. Remember,
    you have a secret weapon (the name of Jehovah) with which to ward off the
    attacks and intimidations of Satan. Stand firm at school and at work.
    Never allow Satan a way in. Never think you must adopt the world’s
    standards and methods. Put on the complete suit of armor and keep it on.
    Don’t wear Saul’s armor. May Jehovah bless your efforts as you serve him
    faithfully.

    12:00pm Attendance was 9,134 (9,048 and 86 at Sign Language); send
    greetings to Brooklyn Bethel and the Governing Body.

    12:10pm Song 212

    Concluding prayer by David Splane

    [Congregations that were invited to this special meeting: Those with
    Bethelites; expected 8,000.]

  • serendipity
    serendipity

    Thanks for sharing, startingover.

  • meems101
    meems101

    The wife fell pregnant

    how does one 'fall pregnant'? is a bad thing to have a family?

    What did Jason say? “Yes, I was there, and I don’t appreciate your tone;

    I’m going to get your address and come to your house next week!”

    then the poor kid got beat up.

    Make sure that your

    children do personal study and attend all the meetings. Don’t let them

    miss meetings for school homework, etc. Meeting attendance and field

    service are not an option.

    it's better to get bad grades in school

    The world turns to psychiatrists to help them cope with problems. But you

    have a secret weapon (unknown to the world’s psychiatrists)-the name of

    Jehovah.

    it's actually called mind control

  • uninformed
    uninformed

    If I was Jesus Christ I would be upset that I came to the earth and died a horrible death, with vicious charges, and my name didn't even get mentioned in that apostate report from Africa.

    I am the way, the truth and the life.

    No one can come to the father except through me.

    Jehovah this, Jehovah that ad infinitim, (whatever)

    My father wants YOU to acknowledge ME.

    Interestingly, in a discussion with an elder this weekend he reminded me that Jesus is the Mediator between God and The Little Flock, not between God and MEN.

    I bet Jehovah and Jesus weep when they see how little his sacrifice is deemed by the WT and their holy highnesses.

  • sir82
    sir82

    @#$%^!

    Where to even begin?

    The world says the answer is higher education. Some spend four, six, or


    even eight years pursuing the world’s higher education. The result: They


    are effectively cut off from Jehovah’s organization and congregation for


    that time period.

    Why? I went to university for 4 years and never missed a meeting, and auxiliary pioneered in the summers.

    Worldly companies do nothing for you.

    And what does Bethel do for you, if you commit the sin of contracting a chronic illness? "We think its time you start pioneering, Brother Feeble, since you and your wife can no longer work 44 hours a week for us. Don't let the door hit you on the way out."

    Perhaps you work many nights overtime or over weekends.

    So less education means less hours at work? Ah, I see. Well, perhaps no one should go to school after 8th grade, then they can get by working just 20 hours a week. Or maybe if you quit school in the 4th grade, you'll never have to work at all!

    When the company scales down, don’t expect that loyalty back from them.

    And when Bethel scales down, what loyalty do they show?

    Remember, we’re not saying that if you’re suffering mentally you cannot seek medical assistance. But, remember, that we control what we allow our minds to dwell on.

    Think of it - the cure is found here! Those thousands, millions of people who suffer from depression, bi-polar, schizophrenia, etc., well, they're just not trying hard enough to "control what their minds dwell on". That's all it takes! And our famous GB member, armed with merely his "stone" of a high school + Gilead education, cuts thru the medical misdirection of millions of doctors who treat these problems with drugs, psycho-therapy, counseling. All balderdash! Just try harder to "control what your mind dwells on!

    I have to stop now, I'm getting nauseous.

  • Hecklerboy
    Hecklerboy
    (It’s like a little voice in your ear saying:

    You’re no good!)

    No, that's the Watchtower say that.

    It just kills me how the come down on education.

    Interestingly, the words “higher education” never once

    appeared in that article; it used a term “supplementary” education. This

    means a short course of perhaps a few months, or even a year, or maybe a

    little longer, in order to adequately take care of their needs. Do we see

    the wisdom of that counsel?

    Show me where I can get an education in just a "few months" that can support a family. These guys are so out of touch that they will say anything.

    A balanced, simple life is what

    we strive for. 1 Tim 6:8 says to ALL of us, not just pioneers and

    Bethelites, that we should be content with sustenance and covering. Being

    content with such will help us cut down that economic giant to size.

    I don't think the Society is content with just "sustenance and covering". They're buying up prime property in New York to expand the preaching work line their own pockets.

    Talk about hypocrits.

  • tetrapod.sapien
    tetrapod.sapien
    Satan wants everything of Jehovah’s to be destroyed. We are

    Jehovah’s creation; he wants us to die. Jehovah made the earth-Satan

    teaches that it will be burnt up. Jehovah instituted marriage-Satan says

    you don’t have to get married; you can just live together. If you accuse

    yourself then you’re doing the Devil’s work.

    LMAO! ahh-ohh, man, i love this shit.

    hey, startingover,

    long time no talk. how you been?

    cheers,

    TS

  • caligirl
    caligirl

    More like extremely nauseating! I literally have a headache after reading that. Talk about twisting scripture and taking only what fits your agenda!

    Be content with sustenance and covering? Tell me that the israelites didn't moan and groan about eating the same thing for 40 years! And to apply that to modern day life is taking it out of context. It really seems that they are saying that one should make only enough money to eat, and have a roof over their head. And let God decide what is adequate? So tell me how is it that God decides who gets handed the silver platter and who gets the paper plate, who gets the shrimp scampi and who gets ramen noodles? Is there some magical formula used to decide what is adequate for each person? Does god say " So-and-so has such soft hands, they really should have a big house and a maid to clean for them, but this other person, I think that they look like they were born to wait tables at Joe's Slop House."

    It really amazes me (I know it shouldn't) how illogical the statements made in talks like this really are! It makes no sense.

    Are they really telling people that if they get a hotel for a governing body member who is traveling that they make the reservation at the local Motel 6 for $35 a night because after all, all that is necessary is sustenance and covering and the Motel 6 provides covering, and most of them have a vending machine or a 7-11 somewhere nearby.

    So everyone should be a classic underachiever and waste the gifts of talent and intelligence we may have been blessed with because it would be wrong to use those to have a good and happy life? It is all just sickening!!

  • somebodylovesme
    somebodylovesme
    The

    teacher had none, but later asked Lesley to come to her house to answer

    some questions she had- condition: No adults. Lesley studied with her

    teacher for a year.

    ... Oh, yes, let's encourage our twelve-year-olds to go to strangers' houses alone without adults. I realize this story takes place in a culture different than our (or at least, my) own, but that statement just struck me oddly.

    SLM

  • rebel8
    rebel8
    The following report was sent to me by a very close personal friend


    Q. What is an urban legend?

    A. In lieu of evidence, the teller of an urban legend is apt to rely upon good storytelling and the naming of allegedly trustworthy sources (e.g., "a friend of a friend who swears it's true") to bolster its credibility.

    Wait for that email to get passed around a few more times. Eventually it will contain stories of angels fighting off apostates outside the convention or demonized smurfs running away when they heard the word Jehovah spoken aloud.

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