birthdays

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  • AlmostAtheist
    AlmostAtheist

    >>The manner in which a Christian would deal with having a baby shower would put emphasis on the sacredness of life. The worldy "Baby Shower," however, has no "spiritual aspect" to it, and primarily focuses on the "fun" aspect of the occasion.

    Can you see how this is still arbitrary? A Christian is likely to find celebrating their child's birthday to be quite spiritual. When I was a believer, I was often moved to tears during prayer when I was thanking him for my son. It's not at all difficult to imagine such spiritual motives behind a bday celebration. There is nothing wrong with "fun", even with things that are purely done for fun. Why single out birthday celebrations?

    Welcome, slpdajp! Schizm's right, the magi appeared a few years after Jesus was born. Whether they arrived on his birthday or not is not revealed in the Bible.

    Dave

  • montana96
    montana96

    I always found it hard to explain to someone why we couldnt have Birthdays but we celebrate Wedding Anniversaries!

    The explanation that it gives glory to that person on their birthday was always given, yet I know plenty of JWs who had big parties celebrating their anniversaries, so isnt that giving them glory and attention!

    A birthday is just an acknowledgment of the day you are born and however you choose to celebrate that should be your own business. I know plenty of JWs very confused as to why they couldnt have Birthdays and how to explain it.

    Mercedes x

  • peacefulpete
    peacefulpete

    The point of b-days is to give everyone equally a special day of attention and for others to express love for them. Only a twisted hateful mind would see that as evil or arrogant.

  • A Paduan
    A Paduan
    "For example, the Bible definitely puts birthday celebrations in a bad light."

    No it doesn't, it's a lie.

    --------------------------------------------------

    And as for spiritual birthdays - But the LORD has taken you, and brought you forth out of the iron furnace, out of Egypt, to be a people of his own possession, as at this day......................to give you their land for an inheritance, as at this day....know therefore this day, and lay it to your heart

  • Atlantis
    Atlantis

    The Legends of The Jews Volume 3 Moses/Sinai Paragraph 5 under the heading: THE OTHER COMMANDMENTS REVEALED ON SINAI When the nations of the earth heard the first commandment, they said: "There is no king that does not like to see himself acknowledged as sovereign, and just so does God desire His people to pledge unto Him their allegiance." At the second commandment they said: "No king suffers a king beside himself, nor does the God of Israel." At the third commandment they said: "Is there a king that would like to have people swear false oaths by his name?" At the fourth commandment they said: "No King dislikes to see his birthday celebrated." But when the people heard the fifth commandment, "Honor thy father and thy mother," they said: "According to our laws, if a man enrolls himself as a servant of the king, he thereby disowns his parents. God, however, makes it a duty to honor father and mother; truly, for this is honor due to Him." [222] http://philologos.org/__eb-lotj/vol3/p03.htm#THE%20UNITY%20OF%20THE%20TEN%20COMMANDMENTS

  • Atlantis
    Atlantis

    WT-85-1-1-pp.-16-17

    A

    Centennial to Remember

    GOD’S people have been privileged to observe many modern-day miracles. Outstanding among these has been the growth of the global organization that Jehovah is now using to declare his name throughout the earth. It all started in Pittsburgh during the early 1870’s with a small group of earnest Bible students. These multiplied rapidly, so that it soon became necessary to form a legal corporation to care for the expanding organization. Thus, Zion’s Watch Tower Tract Society was duly incorporated on December 13, 1884, under the laws of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

    Recently, on Saturday, October 6, 1984, the 100th annual meeting of the members of the corporation—known now as the Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania—was held in Pittsburgh. A special occasion indeed! Just as important events in ancient times were memorialized, so it was appropriate that Jehovah’s Witnesses should mark this centennial of the Watch Tower Society by a special gathering. Thus they could render thanks and praise to the Sovereign Lord Jehovah, who has protected and shepherded this expanding organization through the troublesome years of the past century.—Joshua 4:4-8, 20-24; Esther 9:20-22; Psalm 23:1-6.

    Corporate

    Meeting

    Promptly at ten o’clock on the morning of October 6, the annual corporate meeting of the Society was opened at the Coraopolis Assembly Hall of Jehovah’s Witnesses, Pittsburgh. Among worldly organizations, corporate meetings are usually cut-and-dried, business-only affairs. But this meeting was different.

    Of the 429 members of the corporation, 259 were present in person, together with their guests—an assembly totaling 1,615 persons. These had traveled to the meeting from 53 different countries—from such widely scattered places as Alaska, Antigua, Argentina, Australia, Austria, and through the alphabet to Zimbabwe. The formal election of four directors of the Society was followed by a spiritually strengthening program of talks. One of these, based on the yeartext chosen by Jehovah’s Witnesses for 1985, 2 Timothy 4:5, exhorted everyone: "Fully accomplish your ministry."

    There followed a stirring address by the Society’s 91-year-old president, F. W. Franz. He stated that he had never been so thrilled as when, some 65 years ago, along with J. F. Rutherford, he first heard the phrase "God’s organization." After tracing the development of the organization in the earth, he expressed thankfulness that this is the 100th year that Jehovah’s organization has used the incorporated Society to bring us life-saving Scriptural information. Brother Franz’ voice rose to a triumphant crescendo as he quoted the last verse of the Psalms, saying, ‘Every breathing thing—let it praise Jah—HALLELUJAH!’

    ‘Jehovah

    Is With His People’

    Outstanding brotherly love and hospitality were displayed by the Pittsburgh congregations of Jehovah’s Witnesses. (Hebrews 13:1, 2) Self-sacrificing attention was given to provide fine meals, accommodations and transportation, and every organizational detail was cared for in readying Pittsburgh’s famous Three Rivers Stadium for the three-hour evening meeting that followed.

    It was like a smile of approval from Jehovah that weather conditions for this autumn day were ideal. Thus, the crowd of 37,733 at the stadium could listen in comfort and with appreciation. Telephone tie lines carried the program to 34 Assembly Halls of Jehovah’s Witnesses in the United States and in Canada, where another 59,715 listened—making a grand total of 97,448 in attendance. All of these were provided with copies of a colorful 32-page brochure-style program as a memento of the happy event.

    The evening session commenced with joyful song and prayer. Then ten members of the Governing Body of Jehovah’s Witnesses shared with many other long-time servants of Jehovah in developing the theme: "Jehovah Has Always Proved to Be With His People." As the program brochure stated: "There is, indeed, much evidence that Jehovah has proved to be with his people and that he has blessed and established the work of their hands—accomplished by the instrumentality of the Watch Tower Society. Therefore, in accord with the thoughts of Psalm 78:2-7, it is appropriate that we use this occasion to relate to the newer generation ‘the praises of Jehovah . . . and his wonderful things that he has done.’"

    That is just what the program accomplished! Hitler and apostate religionists had tried to exterminate Jehovah’s Witnesses "like vermin," but such opposers have gone, as always, "like snow in the sun." Bible translator Goodspeed described the first century Christians as "a translating and publishing people." And how true this is also of 20th-century Witnesses! During the 105 years ending in 1984, these Christians published, in 200 and more languages, 8.8 billion Bibles, books, booklets, magazines, and tracts. The New World Translation of the entire Bible, or at least the Greek Scriptures, was printed in 14 languages to a total of 51,034,000 copies. Very soon a pocket edition of this Bible, and also a large-print edition in four volumes, will become available. Thus the Watch Tower Society will continue to be a leader in Bible publication.

    The brochure said: "A testimony to the caliber of faithful men who have served with the Watch Tower Society can be seen in the fact that during a period of 100 years only four different men have served in the responsible position of president of the Society." Jehovah’s organization moves on grandly toward final victory. As Martin Poetzinger, who kept integrity through nine years in Nazi concentration camps, commented: "Stick to Jehovah and Christ Jesus and God’s organization, and you will see his triumphant victory over all opposers."

    The final speaker of the evening, president F. W. Franz, described this centennial day as "an occasion that will never be duplicated." How true! Reviewing the thrilling history of the Society, Brother Franz recalled the words of J. F. Rutherford, the second president, who died in 1942. Shortly before his death, he said, "Well, Fred, it looks to me the great [crowd] is not going to be so great after all." Brother Franz commented, "He died too soon." At that time Jehovah’s Witnesses numbered fewer than 100,000 worldwide. Today, literally ‘millions of those who will never die’ have been added to the ranks of these loyal servants.

    Brother Franz concluded with these words: "We are stirred to say in unison: ‘All hail to Jehovah God the Universal Sovereign.’" By thunderous applause all present expressed their wholehearted agreement. After final song and prayer they left for their home countries and congregations with joyful determination to go on in Jehovah’s work to the finish.

  • Schizm
    Schizm
    Welcome, slpdajp! Schizm's right, the magi appeared a few years after Jesus was born. Whether they arrived on his birthday or not is not revealed in the Bible.

    Dave

    Why of course they arrived on Jesus' birthday! We know that because of the Manger scene the Catholic Church had set up in front of their church this last Christmas. The Magi--all three of them--were right there with Joseph, Mary, the shephards, with Jesus lying in the manger. I saw it with my own eyes! And we all know that the Catholic Church wouldn't ever stretch the truth ........ don't we?

    More later.

    Schizm

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  • AlmostAtheist
    AlmostAtheist
    The Magi--all three of them--were right there with Joseph, Mary, the shephards, with Jesus lying in the manger. I saw it with my own eyes! And we all know that the Catholic Church wouldn't ever stretch the truth ........ don't we?

    Is that the one with Santa Claus and the Grinch? I saw that, too. :-)

    Dave

  • undercover
    undercover
    The Magi--all three of them--were right there with Joseph, Mary, the shephards, with Jesus lying in the manger. I saw it with my own eyes! And we all know that the Catholic Church wouldn't ever stretch the truth ........ don't we?

    Is that the one with Santa Claus and the Grinch? I saw that, too. :-)

    I think it was the manger scene where Larry David got in a fight with Joseph (Curb Your Enthusiasm - HBO)

  • Schizm
    Schizm

    Dave,

    Your original question was:

    Why are fun bday celebrations bad, but fun baby showers are ok?

    Now, your question is:

    >>The manner in which a Christian would deal with having a baby shower would put emphasis on the sacredness of life. The worldy "Baby Shower," however, has no "spiritual aspect" to it, and primarily focuses on the "fun" aspect of the occasion.

    There is nothing wrong with "fun", even with things that are purely done for fun. Why single out birthday celebrations?

    Because of the particular day it is, that's why. It's THE day on which a life (soul) exited its mother's womb and came into the world. For mature Christians, that makes it a spiritual matter formost. Of course the "world" is chiefly concerned with the "fun" aspect of the occasion. For that reason, mature Christians choose to not be involved with "birthday parties" at the workplace, school, etc. It's about appreciating the sacredness of life, along with the recognition of the need to be saved out of the dying state in which we all find ourselves. Besides, there are other occasions whereby "fun" can be had, so it's not as if Christians are robbed of having any fun by their rejection of the world's "birthday celebration".

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