Myths of the 'scientific method' exposed

by Shining One 32 Replies latest watchtower beliefs

  • stillajwexelder

    However, insects are not included in the meaning of behemah or remes in Genesis 6:19-20, so Noah probably would not have taken them on board as passengers anyway.

    So how did the ysurvive -how come there are so many species now?

  • Shining One
    Shining One

    >So the T-rex and Brontosauraus sinned -sorry hooberus I am sat here laughing my f----g ass off - you guys are good entertainment -next you will be telling me Noah took 850,000 male and female pairs of insects into the ark

    God takes care of the (small) details when He doesn't explain it all...LOL. Do you have any notion that the story of Noah's Ark is a type of the plan of salvation? Those who were IN the Ark were chosen by God, sealed in safety by God and delivered from certain death by God! They were given GRACE instead of JUDGEMENT. Merry Christmas!

  • stillajwexelder

    Whatever - which of Noahs sons went to the artic to collect the polar bears

  • Gerard
    How many technological advances have been brought about by religious types?

    Human cloning by the Raelians?

  • Navigator

    The fact that many scientists were religious types didn't keep them from being placed under house arrest for many years (Gallileo) or their writings condemed (Copernicus) or their followers burned at the state for holding scientific views not compatible with the religious teaching of the day.

  • FSMonster

    For all who are so certain of their faith I challenge your uniquisitive minds to head over to and give yourself a fair chance to see just how debunked every ID claim is. ID is a wolf in sheepskin and I'd rather stick to the good old literal 6-day creation than this crap. Check out just the 'flood' section. Every freaking claim ever made by creationists on this subject alone covered and explained/answered/trashed:

    * CH400-CH599: Flood
    o CH400: Source of Flood
    + CH401. Flood from vapor canopy.
    + CH410. Flood from comet.
    + CH420. Hydroplate theory.
    + CH430. Runaway subduction.
    o CH500: The Ark
    + CH500. Noah's ark has been found.
    # CH501. We can expect to find Noah's ark on Mount Ararat.
    # CH502.1. Noah's ark may have been photographed on Ararat in 1949.
    # CH502.2. ERTS satellite photographed Noah's ark in 1973.
    # CH503. Noah's ark has been found near Dogubayazit, Turkey.
    * CH503.1. Anchor stones of Noah's ark have been found.
    * CH503.2. The Turkish government officially recognized the site of Noah's ark.
    # CH504.1. James Bryce found a 4-foot timber high on Ararat.
    # CH504.2. Navarra retrieved hand-hewn wood from high on Ararat.
    # CH504.3. Hardwicke Knight found soft wood timbers on Ararat.
    # CH505.1. Yearam guided three vile scientists to Noah's ark in 1916.
    # CH505.2. An 1883 Turkish expedition found Noah's ark.
    # CH505.3. Prince Nouri of Baghdad found the ark in 1887.
    # CH505.4. Hagopian visited the ark with his uncle around 1908.
    # CH505.5. Russian aviator Roskovitsky photographed the ark.
    # CH505.6. Resit, a Kurdish farmer, found the ark in 1948.
    # CH505.7. Local Kurds led Ed Davis to the ark in 1943.
    # CH505.8. Ed Behling was led to the ark in 1973.
    + CH508. Chinese treasure ships show Noah's ark was feasible.
    + CH510-CH529: Animals on the Ark
    # CH511. Insects survived on floating vegetation mats.
    # CH512. All kinds could fit.
    * CH512.1. Juveniles of large animals were taken aboard.
    * CH512.2. The average land animal is the size of a sheep.
    # CH513. Animals hibernated on the ark.
    # CH514. The crew could feed and care for the animals.
    * CH514.1. Many animals do not require fresh or live food.
    # CH520. Pre-Flood animals lived in a uniform climate.
    # CH521. Animals' exacting needs could have evolved after the Flood.
    + CH540-CH599: Effects of the Flood
    # CH541. Aquatic organisms could have survived the Flood.
    # CH542. Plants could have survived the Flood.
    # CH550. The geologic column was deposited by the Flood.
    * (see also CC364: Seashells on mountains.)
    # CH560: Fossils were deposited by the Flood.
    * CH561: Fossil order was determined by the Flood.
    o CH561.1. Fossils are sorted by ecological zonation.
    o CH561.2. Fossils are sorted hydrologically.
    o CH561.3. Fossils are sorted by the ability to escape.
    o CH561.4. Fossils are sorted by a combination of these factors.
    * (see also CC361: Fossils form quickly.)
    # CH570. High mountains were raised during the Flood.
    # CH580. The Flood shaped the earth's surface in other ways.
    # CH581. The Grand Canyon was carved by retreating Flood waters.
    * CH581.1. Rapid erosion on Mount St. Helens shows Grand Canyon could form suddenly.
    # CH590. The Flood caused an ice age.
    * CH700: Miscellaneous Young Earth Creationism
    o CH710. Man and dinosaurs coexisted.
    + (see also CC100: Human fossils out of place)
    + (see also CB930.3: Dinosaurs may be in the Congo.)
    + CH710.1. Ica stones show that humans and dinosaurs coexisted.
    + CH710.2. Dinosaur figurines from Acambaro show a human-dinosaur association.
    + CH711. Behemoth, from the book of Job, was a dinosaur.
    # CH711.1. Leviathan, from the book of Job, was a dinosaur.
    + CH712. Dragons were dinosaurs.
    # CH712.1. Some dinosaurs breathed fire.

    # CH800: Day-Age Creationism

    * CH801. Genesis 1 got the order of events right.

    # CH900: Geocentrism

    * CH901. Bible says the sun goes around the earth.
    * CH910. Relativity shows geocentrism is true.

    Or are you gonna say that's all "apostate propaganda"?

  • Shining One
    Shining One

    FS Monster,

    Much of what you have written are individual assertions of individual apologists. There is also the fact that much of what Talk Origins claims as 'proof' are just as valid for creationists! It all depends on your presuppositions. All of us can be duped by this. If you read one side of the argument long enough you will believe that side of the argument. It is self-fullfilling because you are not a bit unbiased. If you spent the same amount of time looking at the evidence for I.D., especially regarding the lack of conclusive evidence for most naturalist assertions, you would see it the other way! It takes much more faith to believe in the naturalistic explanation of origins than it does to believe in a creator.
    Check it out.


  • AlmostAtheist
    All of the early scientists were 'religious types' fact practically all throughout history have been so!

    This is true, but it's also a tad misleading. Religion was part and parcel of life for millenia. Practically every person then (and most even still today) are "religious types". If any discovery was going to made, a religious type was bound to make it.

    Interesting though to compare how rapidly technology advances in comparison to how strongly the society advancing it is religious. Look at the strides in technology in the past 100 years, the same period that religion has played a much lighter role in man's affairs.


  • Shining One
    Shining One

    You have no idea how small a number of each species would be needed to continue all of the genetic variants? Besides that, I am trying to get people to see the spiritual significance of the deluge story as related to salvation itself and the coming of the messiah.

  • Shining One
    Shining One

    The MOST Christian religious country has far outstripped the rest of the world in technology and is now hated for it by the have nots and despots. America has freed and redeemed more of humanity with its brand of 'imperialism', yet the hate is directed more at us than at anyone except the Jews.

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