by stillAwitness 34 Replies latest jw friends

  • AlmostAtheist

    Seriously, though, Stilla, are you getting your talk together? I saw an offer of a pm one-on-one deal. You covered?

    As I recall, you have some serious real-life college school-work pressing in on you, so this talk comes up at a particularly bad time. And I also think it was I that suggested you get help here. (So she didn't just pop up outta nowhere and ask for help on it.)

    Sorry if that seems hypocritical or whatever to some, but from what I gather Stilla's not in a position to thumb her nose at the JW's yet. The talk isn't the issue, the issue is getting the talk out of the way so she can concentrate on what matters -- her real education.

    If you think it matters that she's giving a talk, then are you saying JW's matter? 'Cause I sure don't think they do. Screw 'em.


  • BluesBrother

    In the spirit of Dave's comment, - Here's what I quickly found. Good luck..{Btw doing it from scratch is really hard..}


    *** w03 12/15 Learning From Jesus’ Human Family ***

    Now let us consider members of Jesus’ family and see what we can learn from them.


    Righteous Man

    When Joseph found out that his fiancée was pregnant "before they were united," he must have been torn between his love for Mary and his aversion to even the appearance of immorality. The whole situation seemed to be an infringement upon his right as her future husband. In his day, an engaged woman was considered as good as the man’s wife. After considerable thought, Joseph decided to divorce Mary secretly so that she would be spared being stoned as an adulteress.—Matthew 1:18; Deuteronomy 22:23, 24.

    Then an angel appeared to Joseph in a dream and said: "Do not be afraid to take Mary your wife home, for that which has been begotten in her is by holy spirit. She will give birth to a son, and you must call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins." Upon receiving that divine direction, Joseph acted accordingly and took Mary home.—Matthew 1:20-24.

    With this decision, that righteous and faithful man became involved in the fulfillment of what Jehovah had spoken through the prophet Isaiah: "Look! The maiden herself will actually become pregnant, and she is giving birth to a son, and she will certainly call his name Immanuel." (Isaiah 7:14) Joseph was surely a spiritual man who appreciated the privilege of becoming the adoptive father of the Messiah, despite the fact that Mary’s firstborn son would not be his own.

    Joseph refrained from having intercourse with Mary until after she had given birth to her son. (Matthew 1:25) For the now newlywed couple, abstinence might have been a challenge, but they apparently did not want any misunderstanding as to who the Father of the baby was. What a wonderful example of self-control! Joseph put spiritual values ahead of his natural desires.

    On four occasions, Joseph received angelic direction about raising his adoptive son. Three of these were regarding where to raise the boy. Prompt obedience was vital for the survival of the child. In all instances, Joseph immediately acted, taking the young child first to Egypt and then back to Israel. This protected young Jesus from Herod’s massacre of babes. Also, Joseph’s obedience resulted in the fulfillment of prophecies concerning the Messiah.—Matthew 2:13-23.

    Joseph taught Jesus a trade so that he could care for himself. Thus, Jesus was known not only as "the carpenter’s son" but also as "the carpenter." (Matthew 13:55; Mark 6:3) The apostle Paul wrote that Jesus was "tested in all respects like ourselves." This naturally would have included working hard to help support the family.—Hebrews 4:15.

    Finally, we see evidence of Joseph’s devotion to true worship in the last episode in which he appears in the Christian Greek Scriptures. Joseph took his family to Jerusalem for the Passover. Only males were required to attend, but Joseph made it a custom to take his family to Jerusalem "from year to year." He made great sacrifices, for they had to walk some 65 miles [100 km] from Nazareth to Jerusalem. On the occasion reported on in the Scriptures, though, Jesus got separated from the group. He was found at the temple, listening to and questioning the teachers of the Law. Though but 12 years old, Jesus manifested great wisdom and knowledge of God’s Word. From this incident, we see that Jesus’ parents must have taught him well, bringing him up to be a spiritually-minded boy. (Luke 2:41-50) Joseph apparently died some time after this, since there is no mention of him in later Scriptural accounts.

    Yes, Joseph was a righteous man who cared well for his family, both spiritually and physically. Do you, like Joseph, put spiritual interests first in your life when you discern what God’s will is for us today? (1 Timothy 2:4, 5) Do you willingly obey God’s voice as expressed in the Word of God, thereby showing Josephlike submission? Do you teach your children so that they can carry on spiritually meaningful conversations with others?


    Unselfish Servant of God

    Mary, Jesus’ mother, was an excellent servant of God. When the angel Gabriel announced that she was to give birth, she manifested surprise. Being a virgin, she had not had "intercourse with a man." On learning that the birth was to be by means of holy spirit, she humbly accepted the message, saying: "Look! Jehovah’s slave girl! May it take place with me according to your declaration." (Luke 1:30-38) She valued the spiritual privilege so much that she was willing to bear any hardship that her decision might entail.

    Indeed, accepting the commission changed her entire life as a woman. When she went to Jerusalem for her purification, a reverent older man named Simeon told her: "A long sword will be run through the soul of you yourself." (Luke 2:25-35) Evidently, he was referring to how Mary would feel upon seeing Jesus rejected by many and finally nailed to a torture stake.

    As Jesus grew up, Mary kept a mental note of what took place in his life, "drawing conclusions in her heart." (Luke 2:19, 51) Like Joseph, she was a spiritual person and treasured up the events and sayings that fulfilled prophecies. What the angel Gabriel said to her must have stuck in her mind: "This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High; and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father, and he will rule as king over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end of his kingdom." (Luke 1:32, 33) Yes, she took seriously the privilege of being the human mother of the Messiah.

    Mary’s spirituality again became evident when she met Elizabeth, her relative who also had become pregnant miraculously. Upon seeing her, Mary lauded Jehovah and revealed her love for the Word of God. She alluded to Hannah’s prayer recorded in 1 Samuel chapter 2 and included thoughts from other books of the Hebrew Scriptures. Such knowledge of the Scriptures showed that she was qualified to become a devoted and God-fearing mother. She would cooperate with Joseph in spiritually nurturing her son.—Genesis 30:13; 1 Samuel 2:1-10; Malachi 3:12; Luke 1:46-55.

    Mary had strong faith in her son as the Messiah, and that did not wane even after Jesus’ death. Soon after his resurrection, she was among the faithful disciples who met for prayer along with the apostles. (Acts 1:13, 14) She maintained her faithfulness, despite having to go through the agony of seeing her dear son die on a torture stake.

    How can you benefit from learning about Mary’s life? Do you accept the privilege of serving God regardless of the sacrifices involved? Are you concerned with the seriousness of this privilege today? Do you keep in mind what Jesus foretold and compare that with what is happening today, ‘drawing conclusions in your heart’? (Matthew, chapters 24 and 25; Mark, chapter 13; Luke, chapter 21) Do you imitate Mary in becoming well-versed in the Word of God, using it freely in your conversation? Would you maintain your faith in Jesus despite mental anguish that you might have to go through because of being his follower?


    Brothers—Change Is Possible

    It seems that Jesus’ brothers did not exercise faith in Jesus until after his death. It likely was no coincidence that they were not present when he died on the torture stake and that he had to entrust his mother to the apostle John. Jesus’ relatives showed that they did not appreciate him, even saying on one occasion that Jesus was "out of his mind." (Mark 3:21) Since Jesus had family members who were unbelievers, those who today have unbelievers in their household can rest assured that Jesus understands how they feel when relatives mock them for their faith.

    After Jesus’ resurrection, however, his brothers apparently began to exercise faith in him. They were in the group who met in Jerusalem before Pentecost of 33 C.E. and fervently prayed together with the apostles. (Acts 1:14) Obviously, their half brother’s resurrection moved them to a change of heart, to the point of becoming his disciples. We should never give up on relatives who do not share our faith.

    James, Jesus’ half brother to whom He appeared personally, is presented in the Scriptures as having an outstanding role in the Christian congregation. He wrote a divinely inspired letter to his fellow Christians, admonishing them to maintain their faith. (Acts 15:6-29; 1 Corinthians 15:7; Galatians 1:18, 19; 2:9; James 1:1) Another half brother, Jude, wrote an inspired letter to encourage fellow believers to put up a hard fight for the faith. (Jude 1) It is noteworthy that neither James nor Jude appealed in their letters to their fleshly tie with Jesus so as to convince fellow Christians. What a wonderful lesson of modesty we can learn from them!

    So, what are some things that we learn from Jesus’ family? Certainly, lessons in devotion that can be manifested in such ways as these: (1) Faithfully submit to the expressed will of God and face all the trials that doing so implies. (2) Put spiritual values first, even when that means making sacrifices. (3) Train your children in harmony with the Scriptures. (4) Do not give up on family members who do not share your faith. (5) Do not boast about any connection you may have with ones prominent in the Christian congregation. Yes, learning about Jesus’ human family draws us closer to him and enhances our appreciation for Jehovah’s choosing an ordinary family to nurture Jesus during his childhood.

    Jesus’ half brothers James and Jude encouraged fello

  • heathen

    They forgot to mention , be a pain in the ass to anybody in your family that doesn't agree with you . Trash their beliefs , insult them and use embarassing statements of them at the kingdub hall . Now that sounds more like it , eh? Jeeze these people are such friggen hypocrites it's disgusting . They can make things sound nice and orderly in their publications but in practice it winds up being a complete mess .

  • RichieRich

    Funny, I have the reading tonight.

    Gotta love that reading. I haven't even looked at it yet.

  • stillAwitness

    thanx to everyone who helped out (even to those who were a bit critical to my post ) Here I am on campus with 2 term papers due, a whole bunch of studying to complete and I'll be writing out this talk in between classes. I woke up this morning laughing to myself thinking : "I can't believe I went on an x-jw site to ask help for a talk??!! Quite funny I know!

    And no fair Richie! All you have to do is stand up on stage and read a bunch of verses! Oh yeah, the brothers got it real hard.

  • RichieRich
    And no fair Richie! All you have to do is stand up on stage and read a bunch of verses! Oh yeah, the brothers got it real hard.

    that doesn't sound very submissive...

    But it's right. The hardest part of the talk was sitting through the rest of the meeting.

    But I did have to "shemaiah" and "sukiim"..

  • Enigma One
    Enigma One

    I think I'm in love with KattieKitten. A smart ass answer at the ready always. Gotta love that. Although, Richie is pretty good too. Well, when he's not out Photoshopping Checks for the District Convention.

  • stillAwitness

    oh come I never noticed enigma one's pic before?


  • heathen
    Oh yeah, the brothers got it real hard.

    I tell ya I gave a couple of those thursday nighters and man it about made me a nervous wreck standing in front of all those people hoping my zipper was up and the horse stays in the stable .I don't think it's easy to write stuff on scriptures that are assigned and usually get the worst stuff that nobody else wants . Then they sit there and publically critique you . jeeze , no thanks .

    I think I could do a better job if allowed to have my own theme and write about things I care to discuss .

  • katiekitten

    Stilla sweetheart, I was not making fun at your expense, im sorry about the smart alec replies, I just couldnt resist!

    Nice to see RR back. I thought maybe you mum had kicked your royal ass to the New Order already.

    Some come on Stilla, tell me I was right about the counsel. If you had a G last time you got a W this time, a W last time means you got an I this time, right?

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