Does the WT teach that the GB = the Faithful Slave? - I don't think so.

by moshe 32 Replies latest members private

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  moshe

  I joined a small JW forum over a year ago when they were small group and kept quiet. They are bigger now. I posted some small innocent comments in the past month and then slipped in this bombshell about the F&DS class. I am still waiting for the Mod give me the boot. I have a feeling they are trying to prove me wrong, but they have been unable to show me the error of my ways. (bold words for JWN readers) They have been quiet on my topic for almost a week now.

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  On humble side note, concerning the earlier mention of the F&DS and I mean no disrespect-
  Seeing as as there has never been even "one" member of the modern day GB who personally claimed to be one of the F&DS (correct me, if it can be found) nor has the WatchTower ever attached the personal name of any GB member to that class, I asked one day, why not? I was wondering, if it might not be wrong to personally teach the GB are part of the F&DS class, if the WT does not teach this?Should one give a Biblical title to one who personally declines to accept it? I have written to Bethel for the names of any known members of the F&DS class and they decline to identify even one member of the GB as part of that class, by NAME. Everyone assumes that individual GB members are in the F&DS class, but this has never been stated by the WT to be the case. (correct me, if you can find a first person account- naming a name)
  Ironically, there is a paradox today for honest-hearted Jehovah's Witnesses, as we have been told by the WT that the anointed class do not have any special spiritual insight over and above the Great Crowd. Since the anointed lack any special insight (as per the latest WTs) and the F&DS Class are said to all have to be of the anointed class, then it logically follows that the F&DS class also lack any special spiritual insight or Godly direction. The GB are also anointed, so how they get from being anointed of no special spiritual insight to the GB who get their direction from the F&DS class, (who are a nameless group of anointed who originally have no insight) to getting Spiritual insight from Jehovah,----this is causing me considerable consternation. I am not making this up and Bethel has declined to refute my findings in writing. Indirectly, this failure to respond could be considered a form of legal disclosure.

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  So, am I right or not? Does the WT currently teach that the GB are part of the F&Ds class? Do they name, names, when mentioning the F&DS? I think they only teach that the GB work under the direction of the F&DS class.
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  Ding

  I can't answer your question, Moshe, but I'm sure asking questions that embarrass the GB is "apostate thinking."
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  wannaexit

  Its a complicated dynamic. On the one hand they say that the GB is part of the faithful slave. But as I see it, the GB has elevated itself above the regular faithful slave member, giving themselves the role of "mother", feeding the rest of the faithful slave class.

  The watchtower now puts governing body in upper case letters when it refers to the New York bunch and lower case letters when they refer to governing body of Ac
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  Mary

  I believe there was a Craptower study article a few months ago that said that the Slobbering Body members "represent" the "F&DS" class and get to make all the decisions. I can't remember which one it was (Blondie, can you help out with this one?)

  When you factor in their past claim that the rest of the 'annointed' have 'no special insight' that the rest of the rank and file, and add it to their statement exalting themselves, then I think it's a pretty clear picture of who and what they're trying to promote.
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  miseryloveselders

  Moshe, according to the Insight Book, the Faithful Slave is the entire "annointed Christian congregation."

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  Commentators often view this as a general exhortation to any and all who have individual positions of responsibility in the Christian congregation. The requirement of faithfulness in discharging responsibility clearly applies to all such. (Compare Mt 25:14-30; Tit 1:7-9.) Yet, the impossibility of each and every one of these individuals being placed over “all” his master’s belongings at the same time, the time of the master’s arrival, is obvious. This, however, does not require that the “slave” prefigure only one particular person who would be so privileged. The Scriptures contain examples of the use of a singular noun to refer to a collective group, as when Jehovah addressed the collective group of the Israelite nation and told them: “You are my witnesses [plural], . . . even my servant [singular] whom I have chosen.” (Isa 43:10) Similarly, the figure of the unfaithful “evil slave” could apply to a collective group in the same way that “the antichrist” is shown to be a class made up of individual antichrists.—1Jo 2:18; 2Jo 7.

  Those forming the Christian congregation are referred to by the apostle Paul as “members of the household of God” (Eph 2:19; 1Ti 3:15), and the same apostle shows that ‘faithful stewardship’ among such household members involved the dispensing of spiritual truths on which those becoming believers would ‘feed.’ (1Co 3:2, 5; 4:1, 2; compare Mt 4:4.) Whereas this was a prime responsibility of those appointed as ‘shepherds’ of the flock (1Pe 5:1-3), the apostle Peter shows that such stewardship of the divine truths was actually committed to all the ‘chosen ones,’ all the spirit-anointed ones, of the Christian congregation. (1Pe 1:1, 2; 4:10, 11) Thus the entire anointed Christian congregation was to serve in a united stewardship, dispensing such truths. At the same time the individual members making up such composite body, or the “domestics” making up the “house” of God (Mt 24:45; Heb 3:6; Eph 2:19), would also be recipients of the “food” dispensed. (Heb 5:11-14; compare 1Co 12:12, 19-27.) Expanded responsibility would result from faithfulness maintained until the master’s promised ‘arrival.’—Mt 24:46, 47; Lu 12:43, 44.

  By the way, you've gotta be high to believe this mess. When I read this, it leaves me under the impression that as someone who's not annointed, and part of the "other sheep", why do they insist that I study their literature, support the printing of their literature, attend their meetings, etc.. According to this information from the Insight Book, the other sheep are out of the picture. The Faithful Slave is supposed to feed the Domestics, of which the "other sheep" are not. By the way, maybe a Bethelite or former Bethelite can confirm this, but isn't most of the information coming out of Bethel spearheaded by members of the "other sheep?" I'm sorta under the impression that the GB has either reached, or is fastly approaching figurehead status. I know they meet every week privately, but with the exception of eliminating the book study, putting out a new Flock book, and adding some oomph to the word "brazen", they haven't done shit in years.

  Another thing is, have any of you searched the CD Rom using the term, "faithful and discreet slave?" They've peppered their literature so much with this term, that its dang near impossible to find any article in the magazines that do a thorough examination of why the faithful and discreet slave is anything more than a parable or illustration. If you can find such an article, I'll PayPal you $100.00 right now on the spot.
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  Mary

  Ah, here it is. I took a look over at jwfact.com and found it. It was the June 15, 2009 Watchtower:

  "However, Christians who have truly received this anointing do not demand special attention. They do not believe that their being of the anointed gives them special insights beyond what even some experienced members of the "great crowd" may have."---- Page 23

  "Today, the Governing Body represents the faithful and discreet slave class." Image on page 23

  
  "Similarly, today a limited number of anointed men have the responsibility of representing the slave class. They make up the Governing Body of Jehovah's Witnesses." Page 24
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  drewcoul

  Interesting semantics the WT uses. "Today, the Governing Body represents the faithful and discreet slave class."

  Who represented them previously?

  Can any active JW answer this question? Doubtful.

  Who represented the F&DS 130 years ago? 50 years ago?
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  drewcoul

  Oh, one other thing,

  What is the biblical basis for this?
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  GOrwell

  I too shall match that $100.00 offer :)
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  moshe

  So, if I represent someone does that mean I am them? See the difference, Mary? Lets say the F&DS class is DEAD, gone kaput. What do we do at the WT writing dept? Well, let's have the GB represent them? Ahah! The F&DS existed in the first Christian congregation (as per WT dogma) and they have taught that gem since I first opened a WT book, that the F&DS could be found in today's living congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses. They can't drop that teaching. Look high and low for a real, live F&Ds slave JW- even offer a reward of $144,000 for one and you will come up empty handed!