Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 12-27-09 WT Study (LOVELESS WORLD)

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    blondie

    Comments You Will Not Hear at the 12-27-09 WT Study (October 15, 2009, pages 17-21)(LOVELESS WORLD)

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    MAINTAINING FRIENDSHIPS IN A LOVELESS WORLD "These things I command that you love one another."--JOHN 15:17

    OPENING COMMENTS

    So there is a world of almost 7 billion LOVELESS non-jws!?

    Do jws really love one another like these loveless ones do, the ones that provide food, clothing, medical help to those

    who are not even in the same religous group? Where do jws go for help, the Red Cross and the Salvation Army but will

    not or are not allowed to donate to these groups. Can you think of the love show by your neighbors, workmates,

    schoolmates...we have been given food, helped to move heavy furniture, snowblown our sidewalk, given rides to the

    garage to pickup our repaired vehicle.....

    Where is the love of Christ in this article? Note that only jws are Christians, God's people, his followers (God that is not

    Jesus).

    Do you remember when jws were told not to call non-jws "friends" but only "acquaintances"?

    START OF ARTICLE

    Q 1. Why did first-century Christians need to remain close friends?

    DURING his final night on earth, Jesus encouraged his loyal disciples to remain friends with one another. Earlier in the

    evening, he said that the love they displayed for one another would identify them as his followers. (John 13:35) The

    apostles needed to remain close friends if they were to endure the trials that lay ahead and to accomplish the work that

    Jesus would soon assign them. Indeed, first-century Christians became known for their unbreakable devotion to God

    and to one another.

    COMMENTS
    Several jws told me that it was possible to love some jws less citing how John was the beloved disciple.

    his followers--only jws

    not just friends--but close friends: how many jws did you know for 10 or more years that had not progressed based a

    polite hello at the hall, the inside of whose home you had never seen, and had never gone door to door side by side?

    So what non-jw resource is the WTS referring to as making known this quality of Christians?

    QUOTE
    *** w88 10/1 p. 11 par. 6 Appreciation for Our Brothers ***
    On the pretext that the Scriptures allow for our having warmer feelings for some brothers than for others, are we

    inclined to rationalize our feelings? (John 19:26; 20:2) Do we think we can express a cold, reasoned “love” to some

    because we have to, while we reserve warm brotherly affection for those to whom we are attracted?

    Q 2. (a) What are we determined to do, and why? (b) What questions will we consider?

    2. Today, what a pleasure it is to be associated with a worldwide organization whose members follow the pattern set by

    those first-century Christians! We are determined to obey Jesus' command to display genuine love for one another.

    However, during these last days, people in general are disloyal and fail to show natural affection. (2 Tim. 3:1-3) The

    friendships they do form are often shallow and self-serving. To keep our identity as true Christians, we must rise above

    such attitudes. Let us, then, consider the following: What is the foundation of good friendships? How can we make

    good friends? When might we need to end a friendship? And how can we maintain upbuilding friendships?

    COMMENTS
    Do jws show the pattern by marking, shunning, and disfellowshipping their members?

    jws only help members in "good standing" in their judgment.

    genuine love--smile to your face and stab you in the back

    people in general--ALL nonjws are disloyal and fail to show "natural affection"

    So who form friendships based on status and money--certainly not jws with their green handshakes and sucking up to

    the elders and wealthy jws

    OUR identity--true Christians--ONLY JWS

    What Is the Basis of Good Friendships?

    Q 3, 4. What is the basis of the strongest friendships, and why?

    3. The strongest friendships are founded on a love for Jehovah. King Solomon wrote: "If somebody could overpower

    one alone, two together could make a stand against him. And a threefold cord cannot quickly be torn in two." (Eccl.

    4:12) When Jehovah is the third cord in a friendship, that friendship will endure.

    COMMENTS
    Where is the foundation of love for Christ?

    4. True, those who do not love Jehovah can also form rewarding friendships. But when individuals are drawn together

    by a mutual love for God, their friendship will be unshakable. If misunderstandings arise, true friends will treat each

    other in a way that pleases Jehovah. If opposers of God try to cause divisions, these enemies discover that friendships

    among true Christians are unbreakable. Throughout history, servants of Jehovah have proved their willingness to face

    death rather than betray one another. --Read 1 John 3:16.

    COMMENTS
    Well, while nonjws (who ALL don't love Jehovah) can form friendships....they are obviously deficient
    opposers of God--all nonjws including those that claim to be Christians but aren't TRUE Christians like jws
    servants of Jehovah--only jws

    So nonjws have not proven willing to face death for others?

    Q 5. Why was the friendship between Ruth and Naomi so enduring?

    5. Without a doubt, the most satisfying friendships we can enjoy are with those who love Jehovah. Consider the

    example of Ruth and Naomi. These women formed a friendship that is among the most admirable recorded in the

    Bible. Why was their friendship so enduring? Ruth revealed the reason when she said to Naomi: "Your people will be

    my people, and your God my God .... May Jehovah do so to me and add to it if anything but death should make a

    separation between me and you." (Ruth 1:16, 17) Obviously, Ruth and Naomi shared a deep love for God, and they

    allowed this love to influence the way they treated each other. As a result, both women were blessed by Jehovah.

    COMMENTS
    Friendship cannot be satisfying unless people love Jehovah (only jws).
    OT--Ruth and Naomi

    Where's the love of the Christ?

    How to Make Good Friends

    Q 6-8. (a) Enduring friendships are a product of what? (b) How can you take the initiative in making friends?

    6. The example of Ruth and Naomi demonstrates that good friendships are not formed by accident. A mutual love for

    Jehovah is the foundation. But enduring friendships are a product of hard work and self-sacrifice. Even siblings who

    worship Jehovah within Christian families need to work at forming a close friendship. How, then, can you make good

    friends?

    COMMENTS
    Enduring friendships = love of Jah = where's the love of Jesus? Aren't jws Christians, witnesses of Jesus?

    7. Take the initiative. The apostle Paul encouraged his friends in the congregation in Rome to "follow the course of

    hospitality." (Rom. 12:13) Following a literal course involves taking a series of steps, one after the other. Likewise,

    being hospitable involves taking a series of small, regular actions. Nobody else can walk the path of hospitality for you.

    (Read Proverbs 3:27.) One way you can be hospitable is by inviting different ones in the congregation to share a

    simple meal with you. Can you make it a regular part of your routine to show hospitality to members of your

    congregation?

    COMMENTS
    How many jws rarely talked to you at the KH? Did you try inviting them to your house? Did they accept?
    How many jws are not making it part of their routine except to associate with the same small group of jws?

    8. Another way you can take the initiative in making friends is by inviting different ones to share with you in the

    preaching work. When you stand at a stranger's door and hear your companion speak from the heart about his or her

    love for Jehovah, you cannot help but be drawn closer to that individual.

    COMMENTS
    So did you find yourself assigned to work with the jws considered the dregs of the congregation? Did you hear people

    speak from their heart or use the same presentation, pushing the magazines and no mention of God's kingdom? But

    what was the conversation between the doors or in the car but entertaining gossip of people in the congregation?

    Q 9, 10. What example did Paul set, and how may we imitate him?

    9. Widen out in your affections. (Read 2 Corinthians 6:12, 13.) Have you ever felt that there is just no one in your

    congregation whom you can befriend? If so, could it be that you are restricting your view of who can be a friend? The

    apostle Paul set a good example in widening out in his affections. At one time, he would never have thought of forming

    close friendships with non-Jews. However, he became" an apostle to the nations."-Rom.11:13.

    COMMENTS
    Widen out--how many jws have you known for 20 years and never seen the inside of their home...who have turned

    down your invitations year after year?

    Are you restricting, or others restricting you as being a friend, marked as bad association.

    I grew up in a congregation where all the young jws who only had one parent that was a jw, were never invited to any

    social affairs. We were viewed as having leprosy.

    10. In addition, Paul did not restrict his friendships to those of his own age group. For instance, he and Timothy

    became close friends despite a difference in age and background. Today, many young ones treasure the friendships

    they have formed with older members of the congregation. "I have a very dear friend who is in her 50's," says Vanessa,

    who is in her early 20's. "I can tell her anything that I can tell friends my age. And she cares about me so much." How

    are such friendships formed? Vanessa says: "I had to seek this friendship out and not just wait for it to come to me."

    Are you willing to build friendships with those outside your age bracket? Jehovah will certainly reward you for your

    efforts.

    COMMENTS
    I have to admit that almost all my friends at one point were older (see paragraph 9).

    Q 11. What can we learn from the example of Jonathan and David?

    11. Be loyal. "A true companion is loving all the time, and is a brother that is born for when there is distress," wrote

    Solomon. (Prov. 17:17) When composing those words, Solomon may have had in mind the friendship that his father,

    David, enjoyed with Jonathan. (1 Sam.18:1) King Saul wanted his son Jonathan to inherit the throne of Israel. But

    Jonathan accepted the fact that Jehovah had chosen David for this privilege. Unlike Saul, Jonathan did not become

    envious of David. He did not resent the praise David received, nor did he swallow the slander that Saul spread about

    David. (1 Sam. 20:24-34) Are we like Jonathan? When our friends receive privileges, are we happy for them? When

    they suffer hardships, do we comfort and support them? If we hear harmful gossip about a friend, are we quick to

    believe it? Or, like Jonathan, do we loyally defend our friend?

    COMMENTS
    Solomon have have had in mind---adding to the bible
    When jws share bad information with each other, they do swallow the slander and run to the elders, who assume it is

    correct and challenge the "bad" jw to explain. They are quick to believe harmful gossip and they don't loyally defend

    their friend (see later how WTS encourages "friends" to run to the elders with bad information).

    When Friendships Need to End

    Q 12-14. What challenge do some Bible students face, and how can we assist them?

    12. When a Bible student begins to make changes in his lifestyle, he may face a real challenge regarding friendships.

    He may have companions whose company he enjoys but who do not live by the Bible's moral code. In the past, he may

    regularly have spent time socializing with them. Now, though, he sees that their activities could have a bad influence on

    him, and he feels the need to limit his contact with such companions. (1 Cor. 15:33) Even so, he may feel that if he

    does not associate with them, he is being disloyal.

    COMMENTS
    This is a backhanded way of telling the student to ditch their non-jw friends. What if their activities are wholesome

    except they don't "love Jehovah"?

    QUOTE
    *** w93 4/15 p. 15 par. 8 Youths—What Are You Pursuing? ***
    Some worldly youths may seem nice simply because they do not smoke, use bad language, or engage in immoral sex.

    If they are not pursuing righteousness, though, their fleshly thinking and attitudes can easily rub off on you. Besides,

    how much could you have in common with unbelievers? (2 Corinthians 6:14-16)

    13. If you are a Bible student who faces this challenge, remember that a true friend will be happy that you are trying to

    improve your life. He or she may even want to join with you in learning about Jehovah. On the other hand, false friends

    will "go on speaking abusively of you" because you do not run with them to the same low sink of debauchery." (1 Pet.

    4:3, 4) Really, it is these friends who are being disloyal to you, not the reverse.

    COMMENTS
    False friends go on speaking abusively of you.........expect to find this in the jw congregation.

    14. When Bible students are abandoned by former friends who have no love for God, members of the congregation

    can fill the void. (Gal. 6:10) Do you personally know those attending your meetings who are studying the Bible? Are you

    on occasion able to provide them with some upbuilding association?

    COMMENTS
    It is really the student that is told to abandon their non-jw friends because they do not love Jehovah. Will members of

    the congregation fill the void or treat them as bad association because they are not baptized as a jw? Who should

    reach out, jws or the student? Are they studying the bible or WTS publications?

    Q 15. 16. (a) How should we react if a friend stops serving Jehovah? (b) How can we prove our love for God?

    15. What, though, if a friend inside the congregation decides to turn his or her back on Jehovah, perhaps needing to

    be disfellowshipped? Such a circumstance can be very distressing. Describing her reaction 'when a close friend

    stopped serving Jehovah, one sister said: "l felt as if something inside of me died. I thought my friend was firmly

    grounded in the truth, but she was not. I wondered if she had been serving Jehovah just to please her family. I then

    began to reassess my own motives. Was I serving Jehovah for the right reasons?" How did this sister cope? "l threw

    my burden on Jehovah," she says. "l am determined to show Jehovah that I love him for who he is, not just because he

    provides me with friends inside his organization."

    COMMENTS
    What if this jw is merely inactive, are they turning their back on God or the jw congregation and its policies/procedures?

    Wondered if serving to please family--serving God or Christ? She is judging the motives of her friend.

    Yes, jws love God for the CARROT, everlasting life on a paradise earth.

    16. We cannot expect to remain a friend of God if we side with those who choose to be friends of the world. The

    disciple James wrote: "Do you not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever, therefore,

    wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of God." (Jas. 4:4) We can prove our love for God by

    trusting that He will help us cope with the loss of a friend if we are loyal to Him. (Read Psalm 18:25.) The sister quoted

    earlier sums up the matter: "l learned that we cannot make someone love Jehovah or love us. Ultimately, it is a personal

    choice." What, though, can we do to maintain upbuilding friendships with those who remain inside the congregation?

    COMMENTS
    only jws are friends of God = all non-jws are friends of the world and will die eternally

    Maintaining Good Friendships

    Q 17. How do good friends speak to each other?

    17 Good communication breathes life into a friendship. As you read the Bible accounts involving Ruth and Naomi,

    David and Jonathan, and Paul and Timothy, you will notice that good friends speak freely but respectfully to each other.

    Regarding the way we should communicate with others, Paul wrote: "Let your utterance be always with graciousness,

    seasoned with salt." Paul was specifically referring to the way we should talk to those "on the outside," that are, those

    who are not our Christian brothers. (Col. 4:5, 6) Surely, if nonbelievers deserve respect when we speak to them, how

    much more so do our friends inside the congregation!

    COMMENTS
    Ruth and Naomi, David and Jonathan OT. Paul and Timothy--NT

    What does the WTS mean to "speak freely" especially regarding elders?

    nonjws, nonbelievers--are not our Christian brothers

    .
    Q 18, 19. How should we view any counsel that we receive from a Christian friend, and what example did the Ephesus

    set for us?

    18 Good friends value each other's opinion, so communication between them needs to be both gracious and forthright.

    Wise King Solomon wrote: "Oil and incense are what make the heart rejoice, also the sweetness of one's companion

    due to the counsel of the soul." (Prov. 27:9) Is that how you view any counsel you receive from a friend? (Read Psalm

    141:5.) If a friend expresses concern about some course of action that you are taking, how do you react? Do you view

    the comments as an act of loving-kindness, or do you take offense?

    COMMENTS
    Does the jws value other's opinions? Only if it agrees with their opinion.
    When does the individual jw have the right to counsel another?
    If the counsel is based on false information, and they assume it is correct, how could you not be offended or hurt by

    their assumption you would do something bad?

    19. The apostle Paul enjoyed a close relationship with the elders of the congregation in Ephesus. He likely knew some

    of those men when they first became believers. During his final meeting with them, though, he gave them some frank

    counsel. How did they react? Paul's friends were not offended. Instead, they appreciated his interest in them, and they

    even wept at the thought of not being able to see him again. --Acts 20: 17, 29,30, 36-38.

    COMMENTS
    Do the elders in jw congregations view the CO as a friend or with fear?

    Q 20. What will a loving friend do?

    20. Good friends not only accept wise counsel but also give it. Of course, we need to discern when "to mind [ourJ own

    business." (1 Thess. 4:11) And we must also recognize that each of us "will render an account for himself to God."

    (Rom. 14:12) But when necessary, a loving friend will kindly remind a companion about Jehovah's standards. (1 Cor.

    7:39) For example, what would you do if you noticed that an unmarried friend was becoming emotionally attached to an

    unbeliever? Out of fear of harming your friendship, would you hold back from voicing your concerns? Or if your friend

    ignored your counsel, what would you do? A good friend would seek the help of loving shepherds in assisting a

    companion who has taken a false step. Such a course requires courage. Yet, no lasting damage will come to a

    friendship based on love for Jehovah.

    COMMENTS
    So what counsel is chosen...to tell an unmarried friend becoming unattached to an unbeliever (all non-jws). Then they

    are encouraged to run to the elders and tell. Who ran and told on David when he took Bathsheba and had her husband

    killed? Why not the David example here...David's servants and family had to know.

    Q 21. What will all of us do at times, but why is it vital that we maintain strong friendships in the congregation?

    21. Read Colossians 3:13, 14. At times, we will give our friends "cause for complaint" against us, and they too will do

    or say things that irritate us. "We all stumble many times," wrote James. (Jas. 3:2) However, the measure of a

    friendship is not how often we sin against each other but how completely we forgive those grievances. How vital it is

    that we build strong friendships by communicating openly and forgiving one another freely! If we display such love, it

    will become "a perfect bond of union."

    COMMENTS
    So should all sins be forgiven by an individual against the wrongdoer...what about pedophiles?

    How Would You Answer?
    • How can we make good friends?
    • When might a friendship need to end?
    • What must we do to maintain strong friendships?

    CONCLUDING COMMENTS

    Next week, What Do Your Prayers Say About You? This is the article about whether married jws can hold hands

    discreetly but cannot embrace each other.

    Love, Blondie

  • yadda yadda 2
    yadda yadda 2

    Thanks Blondie and Merry xmas.

    The JW's have no more love amongst themselves than most other religions. After leaving the JW's I attended several other religions briefly to see what they were like and I can easily say that they were all extremely friendly and kind and went out of their way to show love to me. In fact, JW's are less loving than other religions because JW's are quick to judge and boot their own out with their horrible, harsh disfellowshipping and shunning policy. If one of their own struggles with sin, the JW's love dries up as quickly as you can say 'shun me'. Unlike the JW's, many other religions show considerable long-suffering towards sinners and rally around to help them. They are not hauled before judicial committees immediately they do something wrong but are lovingly helped and counseled and supported so they can overcome their problem. And they are not accused of turning their back on Christ if they backslide, unlike JW's who cruelly condemn persons trapped in sin by accusing them of having 'turned their back on Jehovah'.

  • cameo-d
    cameo-d

    I think it is short sighted to put other religious organizations on a pedestal because of their charity work. Many of them use food and shelter as leverage to promote their own agendas.

    Many of those organizations have members who are truly giving and self less. Those members who give unconditionally without forcing religious agenda on recepients are to be praised. But amny organizations themselves have ulterior motives.

  • hamsterbait
    hamsterbait

    "Worldlings, abandon the new Witless, not because they are "disloyal" but because they are sick to death of having "Da Troof" rammed down their throat when they have made it clear they are happy with their own beliefs or lack of it. The new witless has no respect for others beliefs, but expect it from their worldy "ACQUAINTANCES". (How loyal is that??)

    Hugs Blondie - is your throat feeling better today after all the throwing up and retching?

    I prefer to read your study, rather than sit by myself (again) fizzing with anger over it.

    HB

  • Mary
    Mary
    4. True, those who do not love Jehovah can also form rewarding friendships. But when individuals are drawn together by a mutual love for God, their friendship will be unshakable.

    Wow. That's mighty charitable of them to acknowledge that even non-JWs can "form rewarding friendships". I find it very interesting though, that they insinuate that only Witnesses can have a friendship that is "unshakable", since "unshakeable is defined as:

    not easily panicked or upset, steady, abiding, adamant, firm, fixed, impregnable, inflexible, unflappable, unsinkable, unwavering

    In other words, Jehovah's Witnesses should be forming friendship that will last through anything. Yet just a few paragraphs away, and we see how fleeting and conditional these "unshakable" friendships really are.

    15. What, though, if a friend inside the congregation decides to turn his or her back on Jehovah, perhaps needing to be disfellowshipped? Such a circumstance can be very distressing. Describing her reaction 'when a close friend stopped serving J ehovah, one sister said: "l felt as if something inside of me died. I thought my friend was firmly grounded in the truth, but she was not. I wondered if she had been serving Jehovah just to please her family. I then began to reassess my own motives. Was I serving Jehovah for the right reasons?" How did this sister cope? "l threw my burden on Jehovah," she says. "l am determined to show Jehovah that I love him for who he is, not just because he provides me with friends inside his organization."

    As the saying goes: "With friends like this, who needs enemies?" This paragraph clearly demonstrates that this friendship was not and never had been "unshakable". From day one it was based solely on how loyal the one friend was to the Organization. As long as she was following their man-made rules by going out knocking on doors, and attending the meetings, the friendship endured. However, the moment she decided (for whatever reason) to stop going to the meetings, the friendship ended. This is hardly the foundations of an "unshakable" friendship and is an excellent example of how conditional love and friendships are in this cult.

  • cantleave
    cantleave

    What a load of hypocritical clap trap.

  • wheelwithinwheel
    wheelwithinwheel

    Maintaining friendships…loving one another…unbreakable devotion…close friends…what a joke!!!!!!!!!

    More like propaganda 101 used by oppressive regimes over the centuries.

    Get rid of any old acquaintances you had "comrade" – we are your new "comrades"

    Our mutual love of the motherland binds us together in "friendship"

    If you notice any suspicious activity you must turn your "comrade" in. He will be dealt with.

    If you question whether you are just a shallow and self-serving individual or feel dead inside from ratting him out, you must rationalize and tow the party line. Remember he was just a piece shit who was not fit to be called a "comrade".

    Heil Hitler!

    Thanks Bondie your info was very useful Sunday night.

  • AwSnap
    AwSnap

    I think the way you formatted this thread is a bit different than you have in the past...I really like the way you have it here. It was easier to follow and understand. I'm so glad you do this so that I know exactly what my family is hearing at the meetings. Considering the thought provoking things I've been able to mention to the fam regarding scary evil wordly friends who happen to be some of the most caring and wonderful people EVER, I really hope this lesson will help them think about their own lives. Maybe they'll look at the people they work with and see the contradiction with this article (I happen to know who my family works with and they are ALSO not scary or evil)

  • OnTheWayOut
    OnTheWayOut

    The article is too sad for me to even start commenting on, lest I get stuck in a tirade against it.

  • miseryloveselders
    miseryloveselders

    Describing her reaction 'when a close friend

    stopped serving Jehovah, one sister said: "l felt as if something inside of me died. I thought my friend was firmly

    grounded in the truth, but she was not. I wondered if she had been serving Jehovah just to please her family. "

    The sister quoted

    earlier sums up the matter: "l learned that we cannot make someone love Jehovah or love us. Ultimately, it is a personal

    choice."

    I wonder how many Born-Ins who want out in a dignified manner gasped or felt their heart sink upon reading this for the first time, only to be reemphasized after hearing it again by the WT Reader, and then reiterated a couple more times by those commenting. Translation : There is NO getting out of this without some major heartache, mostly family and close friends. It reminds me of prison gangs who operate on a blood in-blood out rule. In other words short of being murdered or getting into protective custody, there is no getting out of a prison gang without serious ramifications. People often join or become associates of prison gangs out of fear. It's similar with JWs, particulary those born into this. Fear of displeasing family, fear of displeasing Jehovah by not obeying his "only" visible channel on earth. I think this personal experience they used is not real. Someone purposely wrote this with motives behind it. They know there's a major percentage of born-ins who are struggling trying to maintain the facade of believing in this organization. How the people writing this stuff sleep at night......

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