"This Generation" at the meeting today (page 5)

Maat13

Oubliette,

I tried my best to be correct when quoting within someone else quotes...the double vs single quote thing probably confused some folks...my apologies..

I used a single quote ' ' to start and end the entire section that came from Franz's book. Within those single quotes I used ( ) to make small personal comments to show how Franz's message is connected to the material presented in the recent WT article. I also used " " where Franz quoted the WT. That closing single quote is hard to see, but it's there. Afterward I shared my thoughts, no quotes or parenthesis, but using " " to share WT thoughts.

The point I was trying to make was that Franz's material in essence matches your graph. It's is an awesome graph.

Franz knew that at some point in time, nearing 100 years since 1914, that a change would be necessary. A change that would extend "this generation" out at least another one hundred years. Since there were folks 'anointed' after 1992, the overlapping generation would include the grandkids and great grandkids who are alive at that time as well. They needed time, so they bought more time...as Franz predicted using an overlapping generation. That "first group" will be eliminated after much time has passed...given them more time...if the organization is still around. Once the lies start you gotta keep telling more to explain the previous.

I hope that is a slight improvement...

Maat

Oubliette

Maat13: Once the lies start you gotta keep telling more to explain the previous.

True dat!

kaik

I am not sure when WT will get away from 1914 fiasco and the generation(s), but considering past lies, they will eventually move away from that year, they will chip it one by the mountain of lies and nonsense and will come up with a new pivot date. It took 61 years for Rutherford to change Russell 1874 idiocracy. They preached the Last Generation, which started in 1799, until 1925. WT will eventually whitewash its past, and will deny that it ever mentioned the generation of 1914. But this will not happen once the overlapping generations get too freeky and obvious nonsense.

baldeagle

I thought this conversation was worth repeating on this WT subject especially. On another post regarding this subject a member here, OwnAccord referred to a discussion someone had over a phone call to Bethel in NY regarding the “overlapping generation.” The brother at Bethel provided the following information as an explanation. I think this is noteworthy since this question must be phoned in often, and the brothers likely are prepared with a scripted answer.

Bethel Representative Reply:

He said there are actually 3 GROUPS of anointed ones. Two groups make up "this generation." They are the 1914 older anointed ones, and the contemporaries that OVERLAP the 1914 anointed older group. The 3rd anointed group, are TRUELY ANOINTED ONES, but, they are NOT included in the "this generation'' group.

Bethel brother continues, what determines an anointed one being of the OLDER 1914 ANOINTED GROUP, is they were ANOINTED at the MOMENT of "THEIR BAPTISM" – NO LATER THAN OCTOBER 1, 1914. The brother said, “A perfect example would be Brother Fred Franz of the Governing Body.”

Fred Franz (1st group) was born in 1893. He was baptized in 1913 one year before 1914 and therefore anointed at the age of 20. He lived to be 99 and died in 1992. The Bethel representative said, “If a brother was born, in say, 1890, but later got baptized in 1915, 1916, or 1917, THAT ANOINTED brother would be part of the 2nd contemporary anointed group.

He also said Brother John Barr, was OF “this generation” BUT, he was part of the 2nd anointed contemporary overlapping group. Bro. Barr (2nd group) was born in 1913. At the age of 21 in 1934, he too was baptized, and also one of the anointed. Bro. Barr now overlaps with Bro. Franz. Bro. Barr lives to be 97 and he dies in 2010.

There is still one more “Overlap” he said. Now the (3rd group) of anointed is Not Part of the "this generation" anointed ones. He said, “All the 1914 Anointed Older Group has since died between 10 to 20 years ago.” The brother concluded with, “That this Great Tribulation is about to get started any day soon.”

I better make sure my “bug-out” bag is stocked and ready to go. I’ll be needing it soon.

Clambake

This is turning into Superintendent chalmers and Skinner from the Simpsons.

Domi

I'm hearing on this thread the same stuff I heard back in 1975 when the end did not come...The body of elders said: "As part of 'this generation,(1914) a person need not have been alive in 1914. " Everybody knew they were side stepping what they had been saying. Some 50,000 left at that time.

I have had nothing to do with the JW's since 1996...nothing. The changes I have been reading about on the forum...just blow me away. It was easer to believe before 1975 then after. Today...I don't see how any of the members can believe what they say...but I know they do.

skin

This study was just a recycled WT study from the late 80's early 90's, only difference is they changed what didn't come true back then. Here are some interesting comments made at this weeks study I attended.

1: "Watchtower conducter told us this system only has a max of 20 years left based on the over lapping generation." Back in the 80's and 90's we were told that this system only has a few years left (unlightly to get to the year 2000) based on the generation teaching back then.

2: Comment from a long time witness, "When the big A comes, finally the GB will be proven that Jehovah has been using them all this time to direct his people"

3: And the 1914 lie: Part way down para 6, it says: "As soon as they discerned the fulﬁllment of Bible prophecy,(about 1914) they boldly declared to others that God’s rule had begun." Why is this a misleading lie? Because back then, no WT Publication taught this about 1914. this event had already happened back in 1874. It wasnt until the 1940's that WT publications started saying that 1914 was this date that Gods rule begun.

kaik

If WT wants, they can teach 1914 generation for many many decades. They just need to explain what is the lenght of the generation. They can utilize generation before deluge where average lifespan according to Genesis was several hundreds of years. So in theory they can push 1914 in 2814 as part of new light. WT does not have problem with twisting fact and their own teaching. They can care less. Look how long Christianity lasts since so called Second Return in the 1st century. 2000 years later, there is no universal concensus among Christians when Jesus return. Poor Paul, James, Peter and John, they all hoped that it will happen in their lifetime. Roman Empire survived them for another 400 years.

Oubliette

skin: It wasnt until the 1940's that WT publications started saying that 1914 was this date that Gods rule begun.

As I recall, that change was made, first in the early '30s, then explicity in 1932, but not made "officially" until 1943.

I wonder how many current JWs know this? My guess is, "Not many!"

Last week's WT study article proves the WT writers can write any nonsense they want and the majority of their followers will swallow it blindly.

BluesBrother

This is a completely crazy doctrine , and one that divides dubs, although they will not show it. In a gathering recently, one had misgivings about it (clearly thought they were barking up the wrong tree) but demurely just said that he would have to keep considering this and see what else they will have to say. Another one was totally accepting of it all and thought last Sunday's study was "wonderful" , he could see what they meant easily....The subject was changed to avoid discord.

The chart on page one of this thead is fine but I would not call 1992 (death of F Franz ) a key date. It was only used by the WTS as an illustration of one who was "of the first group" . Nobody knows when the last one died. I would place the bracket at the top between 1914 and the future, because the overlappers only claimed annointing after that date . (Just my thoughts)

"This Generation" at the meeting today

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