Progress of Snakes Fade .. A Realization and Help from an unexpected source

by SnakesInTheTower 28 Replies latest members private

  • SnakesInTheTower
    SnakesInTheTower

    hello all...

    I need to unload, please bear with me. Today was interesting. If you dont read it all, that's OK, we're all busy with "real life".

    I used to work with this non-JW guy years ago and then we parted ways as our jobs took us in different directions. His dream was to open his own gym and train people in physical fitness. He realized his dream and opened not 1 but 2 gyms and has several trainers working with him. Years later, half asleep on the couch, I se him late one night on the news talking about the gym/fitness. WOW! how cool is that?.....I got in touch with him last year and trained for awhile, until the break up with my fiancee. Today I went back to this same personal trainer, who is also a (nonJW) friend, after a several months hiatus...trying to get my energy back and fend off sluggishness.

    This man is also a preacher of his own church (ironically just down the road from the local KH). I opened up to him today during the workout about recent events.. I told him my doubts about JW, recent events (being deleted, etc.) ... then I told him he could tell me his opinion...say anything he wanted about the subject. He knew I was very active as a JW and always respected my beliefs and often we agreed to disagree but we were always amicable and respectful. When I asked him if he thought JW were a cult, his eyes got huge...and he said "Snake, are you sure you want my opinion? I respect your right to your beliefs." I told him sure...and he and got to talking about his studies of mind control groups and cults. He said he has been worried over the years about my involvement as a Witness because of this (as well as a mutual friend that worked with us that is still an elder that this trainer respects). He very much thinks that JW/WT is a cult and he is so happy that I have come to that realization. He told me (and I am embarrassed about this) that he said I was a genuine spiritual person who just wants to help but that I have a tough few months ahead (I asked him if he was sure he had never been on JWD?... he had never heard of it)

    He then said, "Snake, having been an elder, you know you won't get out unscathed. They will find a reason to D/F you eventually. I had another client this happened to." He says he has information about getting out of cults, etc., but will never push it on me...if I want it, he'll give it to me. I declined but expressed appreciation. (I think I have enough ammo from here) I mentioned Ray Franz and CofC, but told him I had not read it yet. He wrote the title down with the intention of getting it.

    He told me he will never push religion (or even his own church) on me. I told him once out, I will never return to organized religion. He said he understood and said he would be there for me as a friend and a nonjudgemental listening ear. What a breath of fresh air. I appreciate so much this board and all here. However, it is nice to have someone "in person" to bounce this off of. One day soon, I hope to meet some of you in person at one of your Apostafests (if the invite is extended that is since I dont really know you personally).

    The trainer then said as I was leaving "today's session is on me....you can start paying next week" and assured me he will keep this in confidence, and I believe him.

    I think a couple of elders who are close friends are starting to get antsy. One said he needed to "talk" to me. Since he is not in my congo, he has no Borg authority over me. If he pushes, I will tell him to back off and stay out of it. We have not yet talked since he said that (I hope he is just paying me the few dollars I lent him)

    So, going to meetings about once or maybe twice a month to pick up lit and make an appearance. No FS,,,phantom informal time only..... this is snowballing, I hope it does not get out of control...

    If you read this far, thanks for taking the time. If not, thanks for your support anyway. Any comments/PMs are appreciated as I continue this journey to freedom.

    SnakesInTheTower (of the "fading faster than I thought" Sheep Class)

  • PopeOfEruke
    PopeOfEruke

    Thanks for the update Snakes.

    Even though we are not able to help you "in the flesh" please be assured that many people here on JWD are concerend for you and wish you all the best for the future.

    Fading is the way to go!!

    All the best mate!

    Pope

  • Quandry
    Quandry

    He said he understood and said he would be there for me as a friend and a nonjudgemental listening ear. What a breath of fresh air. I appreciate so much this board and all here. However, it is nice to have someone "in person" to bounce this off of.

    We all have to have someone to talk to. I confided in a woman at work. Suffice it to say that it was hard for her to understand-she is Jewish. But she has been a friend to me.

    Also, I talked to another woman, and turns out she has a sister in law who is a JW. Apparently not a good one, though, as she would not dream of giving presents at Christmas, etc., but happily received them.

    Anyway, she invited me to a women's group called "Common Grounds." It is made up of women of different faiths, mostly though from one church. They discuss women's issues-mostly family things. they are so nice, and I enjoyed meeting them. But it results in turmoil because of being "in" for over thirty years. I just can't really ever see myself joining any religious group, even though I do feel a spiritual need.

    Anyway, isn't it strange how different opportunities arise, and "worldly"people seem to step up to the plate to be friends when you need them?

    Glad you had this encounter.

  • aSphereisnotaCircle
    aSphereisnotaCircle

    You already have a friend on the outside, that's great!

    Best of luck!

  • Lady Liberty
    Lady Liberty

    Dear Snakes..

    You can unload here anytime!! That is what is so great about this forum is that you will always find those that care!! Sounds like you have found a person you will most likely use as a sounding board. I too confided in my trainer. He became not only my trainer, but my therapist! He too was very involved in a very large community church. So he found my coming out of great intrest especially since I had trained with him years earlier when I was a very active Witness. He was floored at the things I told him, and the doctorines, and what I told him I had found on different subjects as I researched them. He wanted to learn as much as he could so that he could help others in the community that were coming out of the organization. He even mentioned the church had a meeting for ex Witnesses and those trying to escape the cult. As weird as it is to say that, it is true. It is a cult. You mentioned you have not read COC yet. Please do. I am not a big reader, but I found I could hardly put the book down. It will blow you away. But it is not a bitter book. It is written in a matter of fact way. Many are suprised when they read it because of the bad wrap it has had as an "apostate" book. After reading it I could clearly see how this poor man was black balled. And the deception was clear on the part of the organization. I hope you get a chance to read it soon.

    Anyhow..hang in there on your fade. Buckle up..I think you may be in for a ride!!

    Sincerely,

    Lady Liberty

  • SirNose586
    SirNose586

    Sounds like you've got a real quality friend in this guy. You're quite lucky to have him when/if the fade implodes.

  • AWAKE&WATCHING
    AWAKE&WATCHING

    I just got off the phone with a living , breathing apostate. It was wonderful. You are right ,the forum is great but a real live person was incredible. I have been able to talk to a few worldly friends (part of my downfall, I'm sure) that I've kept over the years but it isn't the same as someone that "gets it". Are you in Ohio? Ask for someone to let you know if they are in your area. It has helped me a lot.

  • purplesofa
    purplesofa

    Hey Snakes,

    Thanks for sharing your story

    I appreciate your posts

    purps

  • noni1974
    noni1974

    I'm in Ohio.Cleveland as a matter of fact.:)

  • The Oracle
    The Oracle

    Thanks for sharing your story Snakes.

    Sounds like you are making some great progress!

    Please let us know if the elders start to corner you and want to meet. It would be useful for you to work out a bit of a strategy before going in to such a meeting.

    Question for you...

    ...are you attempting the slow and steady fade? or are you working up to the abrupt exit? I haven't read all your posts so I don't know your full situation yet.

    peace,

    The Oracle

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