Big Tex & cruzanheart: 1, Elders: 0

by cruzanheart 48 Replies latest jw friends

  • cruzanheart
    cruzanheart

    So it's a beautiful Saturday morning in Murphy, Texas -- Big Tex was about to go to Home Depot and I was about to start weeding the garden when we looked out front and there was a nondescript 4-door sedan parked in front of our house. The two guys in it weren't getting out, so we thought "uh-oh." After a minute or two (I'll bet they were praying), two guys got out carrying Bibles and wearing polyester jackets (brown). I said, "I'm ready, are you?" and Big Tex nodded grimly. Yes, it was a couple of elders from the Allen congregation, where my publisher card has been resting peacefully for a year and a half. I invited them in and asked them to sit down. We made small talk for a couple of minutes, and then because I have a really mean sense of humor sometimes, I let Ladybug in (the young basset that Valis has nicknamed "catfish bait"). She is very annoying to new people and has a thing about shoving her nose into crotches, so we watched them use their Bibles to try to direct that nose elsewhere. That was fun for a couple of minutes and then they got to the point of their visit, which was to "see how I was and let me know the Memorial was coming up." They delicately mentioned that they, um, hadn't seen me at meetings lately, so I said, "I've been waiting. I moved my card to Allen a year and a half ago and no one came by to visit me at that time. During the January to March push to contact all inactive ones no one visited me. When my dad died a year ago February no one visited me. Last September when you closed out your congregation books and you're supposed to account for inactive ones, no one visited me. It's taken you a year and a half to come and find out what happened to this sheep -- I don't think that's very good shepherding, do you?" Dead silence. "Well, everyone is busy these days . . . ." I told them that I know everyone's busy -- what with five meetings a week, and service, and preparation, and assemblies, there's no time for taking care of the people.

    Another silence. Elder #1 struggled with this for a minute and then asked, "Can I ask, do you still believe this is Jehovah's organization?" Big Tex and I couldn't help it, we burst out laughing! That really confused them. Big Tex said, "Oh, okay, now I know what this is about," and I said, "Look, guys, I'm not going to answer that question. I don't want to be disassociated and I've done nothing to be disfellowshipped for and that's a loaded question. My relationship with Jehovah is stronger now than it ever was because I don't have to deal with people who say they are doing his will but show no love for anyone." They immediately backed off that one and said that no one gets disassociated unless they write a letter and that's not why they were asking.

    They tried to get back to the Memorial invitation and wrote their phone numbers on it in case I ever wanted to "talk," and Big Tex talked about the abuse he had suffered and the two witness rule, and I talked about the convicted sex offender who was protected in my dad's old congregation, and we told them that we didn't feel that the congregations were safe places to take our kids. They didn't have an answer for that either.

    I asked Elder #1, "did you know last year that my father killed himself?" and he uncomfortably said yes, that the elders in Dad's congregation had "made them aware of it." I asked again, "why didn't you come and visit me then?" Dead silence. The only thing he could come up with was that I seemed very angry when I talked to the P.O. of Preston Park (Dad's congregation) that he thought I didn't want to talk to anybody. Wuss. They were just scared.

    Elder #2 felt compelled to read a scripture -- Matthew something -- I wasn't paying attention. Actually, I was kind of looking at my watch because by this time it was after 11:00 a.m. and we were due to meet desib77, Valis, Megadude, Navigator, Elsewhere, and Six of Nine at Dick's Last Resort for lunch. I figured it wouldn't be politically correct to ask them to move this along a little so we wouldn't be late for an Apostafest, but they were more than happy to wrap it up. They didn't ask to pray, which was good. They said they hoped I'd be at Memorial and they'd stop by again. Yeah, right.

    I hope they counted double time for that visit -- they earned it!

    Nina

  • Mulan
    Mulan

    Nina, you are such a riot. Good job.

  • Seven
    Seven

    {{{{{Nina and Chris}}}}

  • Big Tex
    Big Tex

    It's funny, I wasn't angry I just felt sorry for them. They really didn't have much to say, and I was ready for an all-out scrum with them, but mostly they seemed uncomfortable and awkward, almost like we had barged into their house.

    Elder #2 did read a scripture about how Jehovah can read hearts, and he applied that to the KH by saying that just because someone goes doesn't mean Jehovah approves of them. My question to him was if that is the case then why should I go? If Jehovah can read my heart, then he knows I am doing what I have to do to protect my family and teach my children my truths. If Jehovah feels my eternal life depended on parking my butt at a KH, don't you think he has the power to tell me? >Long pause, uncomfortable silence<

    Elder #1 told me his beliefs that God has always used one organization throughout time, etc. to which I replied that if he believed that this organization was the one true one, then he should be at a KH. I on the other hand, don't and if I went I would be a hypocrite. What does Jehovah think of hypocrisy? >Long pause, uncomfortable silence<

    "Well gee, we've got to go now."

    But I did get out of them that they would not DA either of us unless we wrote a letter, which is all I really cared about. Not that I'll ever go back, and I told both of them I wouldn't, but I just don't like the idea of someone else making decisions for me.

    Memorial invitations burn really well. We decided we had to burn it since we didn't demonzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

    Chris

  • 4JWY
    4JWY

    Greetings! I am a new poster and thought I'd sent you a private message just yesterday - remembered your posts from sometime back when I first discovered JWD but hadn't joined in yet.. I didn't know if I was doing it correctly though and hadn't heard back from you. Can you help? Thanks:)

  • Rabbit
    Rabbit

    Wow, Nina And Tex...y'all handled that purdy cool... Thanks for the info on 'closing out the books and accounting for all the inactive ones.' I didn't know that...the Elders in my congo must really be busy, busy...it's been 4 years! Not a word. If they do show up (same house - same tele.#) I'll try to use that same approach.

    I really wanted to come to the Mini-Fest last night, but, my back is still healing from surgery 3 weeks ago. Sorry I missed you. My new wife is very supportive of my 'journey' out of the WTS, she been very helpful and will be with me eatin' Chili with y'all in May !

  • cruzanheart
    cruzanheart

    Yeah, they're using cheap paper. There's some poetic justice that the book of matches we got at Dick's Last Resort had a topless woman on it . . .

    What's really sad is that Elder #1 is someone Six of Nine knew back in the bad old days, and back then he was kind of a teen rebel with a Corvette. Now he is a sad, buttoned-down gray man. I looked at him and am so glad that I am not condemning my children to grow up in that life.

    Oh, yeah, Elder #2 (who was a bit of a snot) asked us condescendingly if we were raised "AROUND the truth." I looked him in the eye and said, "Hon, my parents were baptized before I was born, we moved where the need was greater twice in my life, I pioneered for 13 years, my dad was an elder AND of the anointed, and I married a ministerial servant who was also a pioneer. I was as IN as it gets." Don't mess with me, bucko.

    Nina

  • cruzanheart
    cruzanheart

    4JWY, you have a PM!

    Love,

    Nina

  • bebu
    bebu

    I think you earned more than 1 point there, Nina.. between you and Chris, the score was something more like 12-0. A good skunk.

    Obviously, you were ready.

    bebu

  • wednesday
    wednesday

    wow,Nina, u have got some balls there. Were they older elders or new guys? The reason I ask is they will go striaght to the big guys and relay your meeting. I do not believe anyone who says they can not DA u unless u write a letter. it has been done too many times. But if they ever come to bother me, i'm calling u , gal

    U go girl

    weds

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