God hates wickedness.....but MUST allow it.

by gumby 60 Replies latest jw friends

  • gumby
    gumby

    God is love
    God doesn't desire any to be destroyed
    God is near to those who cry out to him
    God is merciful.
    However.......God must allow wickedness at the same time.....so he can PROVE Satan a liar.
    Below is an example of the things God must allow untill he sends his son to stop all of this.

    Below is the recent story of the children who were tortured and starved:

    TRENTON, N.J. (Jan. 9) - The woman who was supposed to be taking care of the three brothers in a torture and abuse case, including a 7-year-old boy whose body was found stuffed in a plastic storage bin, was captured early Thursday in a Newark apartment.

    Sherry Murphy was found sleeping in the apartment around 2 a.m., police Lt. Derek Glenn said. Police said it was not her apartment, but offered no further details.

    Murphy had been sought since the body of Faheem Williams was found Sunday, a day after his two brothers were found starving in a locked room.

    Murphy, who was wanted on child endangerment charges, had been caring for the boys since their mother, Melinda Williams, was jailed on assault charges in March.

    The FBI has also been preparing a warrant charging Murphy, a go-go dancer who is Williams' cousin, with unlawful flight to avoid prosecution.

    Newark police had been flooded with tips that Murphy left New Jersey.

    Faheem Williams' twin brother, Raheem, 7, and another brother, Tyrone Hill, 4, remained hospitalized Wednesday in fair condition. When they were found, they were cowering under a bed soaked with urine, feces and vomit in the basement of a Newark rowhouse. They were using a jar for a toilet and their hair was infested with lice. They had not eaten in days.

    Authorities did not know Faheem existed until Raheem said at the hospital that he hadn't seen his twin for a long time. They went back the next day and discovered Faheem's mummified remains in the purple storage box. He had been dead for more than a month.

    No one has been charged in the death, but authorities have been looking for Murphy, 41, who took the children after Williams was jailed for child abuse.

    Williams, 31, was hit by a car while rushing to see her children Saturday and is in critical condition at a New York hospital. Before Faheem's death, she told authorities she could not find Murphy or the children after she got out of jail months ago.

    New Jersey's Division of Youth and Family Services had received 10 complaints about the family over the past 10 years, including one in October 2001 that Williams was beating and burning her children.

    Three of the complaints were substantiated: Williams left the children alone in 1996 and 1999, and she failed to get medical attention for another child, 7-year-old Fuquan, after he cut his hand in 1998. The boy, now 11, is in a treatment center in New York.

    Authorities say at least one of the boys also was molested. A friend of Williams was arrested Wednesday and charged with sexual abuse.

    Yet the state agency closed the case in February 2002, saying it could not find the boys. That month, Williams was jailed for child endangerment stemming from a 1996 incident and she entrusted the boys to Murphy, who was dancing in bars under the stage name ''Ebony.''

    Police said Murphy has a crack habit but no criminal record.

    When Raheem and Tyrone were rushed to the emergency room, they were weak and undernourished. Tyrone, who showed evidence of scars and burn marks, was put on a liquid diet because he could not handle solid food.

    A cat in the apartment was immaculately clean and well-fed.

    ''The mere fact that he had food means he was better off than those kids,'' police Lt. Derek Glenn said.

    Much of the mistreatment of the boys appeared to have happen while they were supposedly under the protection of the state child welfare agency. Investigators say they were subjected to nearly continuous abuse that included beatings and burnings with cigarettes and hot liquids.

    I hope this helps all understand why our loving father allows all of this.

  • YERU2
    YERU2

    The whole "proving Satan a liar" or "Proving God has the right to rule over us" or proving man can't govern himself" are distinctly Society doctrines that most Christians dismiss. WHY evil is allowed to exist goes back to the free will issue we've discussed so often here.

    Why bad things happen to good people remains a mystery. We can't understand it. Most people hate that answer, but in the end, it's the only true answer. Only God knows.

  • freedom96
    freedom96

    I agree with Yeru. I am not prepared to blame God for what happens. We do have free will to do what we want. If we didn't, what would be the point?

  • Shakita
    Shakita

    The statement is illogical.

    illogical - not logical, neglectful of reason

    God, our father, neglects to answer his children's prayers to alleviate their suffering and allows wickedness to permeate the earth because he loves us.....illogical.

    The story of abuse and murder is beyond words.

    Mrs. Shakita

  • AGuest
    AGuest

    Well, certainly... let's blame God! I mean, who ELSE is there to blame? Well, let's take a look, shall we?

    Murphy, who was wanted on child endangerment charges, had been caring for the boys since their mother, Melinda Williams, was jailed on assault charges in March.New Jersey's Division of Youth and Family Services had received 10 complaints about the family over the past 10 years, including one in October 2001 that Williams was beating and burning her children.

    Three of the complaints were substantiated: Williams left the children alone in 1996 and 1999, and she failed to get medical attention for another child, 7-year-old Fuquan, after he cut his hand in 1998. The boy, now 11, is in a treatment center in New York.

    Authorities say at least one of the boys also was molested. A friend of Williams was arrested Wednesday and charged with sexual abuse.

    Yet the state agency closed the case in February 2002, saying it could not find the boys. (YET!)...That month, Williams was jailed for child endangerment stemming from a 1996 incident and she entrusted the boys to Murphy, who was dancing in bars under the stage name ''Ebony.''

    So, hmmm... can we blame... the caretaker? No, we can't blame the caretaker, 'cuz she's a stupid go-go dancer and crack addict, and who in their right mind would'a left their children with HER... What, blame the mom? Well, no, can't blame HER, cuz what could SHE do? SHE... was in jail... for assaulting someone (besides her children?!)... and besides, she made SURE her little babies would be well "cared" for by her good go-go dancing crack addict friend (who better to leave your children with when you're doing time?). How 'bout the "friend-ly" molester? Can we blame "him"? No WAY... cuz "he" was also mom's "friend", and well, no one else really cared about those little boys and they weren't HIS, so why in the heck should HE care, why not just get himself a little sumthin-sumthin what can it hurt, no one's looking cuz no one cares anyway... So it was mom's fault, after all... but she was in jail at the time and so she wasn't there, and so we can't blame her... and besides, she had left them in the "care" of her other good friend, the crack addict who should've made sure it didn't happen... How 'bout blaming the State of New Jersey who it seems had to approve whomever "mom" left the children with cuz it was them that was sending her to jail... can we blame THEM, 'cuz if they hadn't sent mom to jail, mom wouldn't had to leave them with a friend? Well, no, 'cuz it ain't their children... it's only their job to follow up on complaints, and, hell, there were only 10 complaints anyway, in 10 years... and only 3 of those were substantiated...

    Nope, OBVIOUSLY no one to blame here... so, yes, Gumby, methinks you're right: when there's no one else to blame... blame God. I mean, that's EASY enough, ain't it?

    (Can I ask you, though, why iti s that we humans... who are supposedly "superior" to the animal kingdom and have MUCH more power and ability than THEY do... don't do anything about/to the rogue lions and elephants, etc., who abandon... or kill... THEIR young... despite the supposed "instinct" that supposedly tells THEM not to... even while we look on and FILM the event(s)? Oh, yep... that's right: cuz they're just animals. Something... er, "goes wrong" with them, right? Although, it's true that WE... humans... can also act/be ANIMALISTIC ourselves... and something can be awfully "wrong" with us, too... but... well, this is "different". Right?)

    SJ, a slave of Christ, of the "sometimes earthling man just makes me ill"...

    as well as the "what would YOU have done and don't say report it 'cause it WAS reported... and if you think something should be done then why the heck don't YOU do it, rather than sit around on your keister blaming folks you don't even know (GOD) for the acts of folks you don't even know (abusers)... under circumstances you don't even know... and obviously are too blind to understand..."

    as well as the "in order to blame God, you must believe there IS a God, and if you do and there is, then who are YOU to be questioning His action/inaction based purely on your own tiny little perception as if you know all of the circumstances involved and what He has/has not done and who HE will/won't hold accountable, including your puny little self... and if He does NOT exist then your anger and blame are entirely misplaced and moot based solely on that... and either way, then, on what ground do you stand, then, to blame anyone other than those who COMMITTED the dastardly acts?" class(es)...

    who yet still bids YOU... and your misguided, misdirected presumptions... peace.

    P. S. God... is not "proving" anything. He doesn't HAVE to, for Satan HIMSELF proved himself a liar... when Adam and Eve died in the flesh... and will prove himself one again, when the SPIRITS (including those of humans) that sinned... versus FLESH that sins... are destroyed. The ONLY one(s) who have anything to "prove"... is us... earthling man. It is WE who must prove who OUR "father" is - God (love)... or Satan (hate). Matthew 5:43-48; 1 John 3:10-12 And as this incident shows, the "proof"... is in the pudding... or rather, the OUTPUTTING.

    Edited by - AGuest on 9 January 2003 11:33:33

  • joelbear
    joelbear

    Blaming god is silly. God as a person, doesn't exist.

    Blame the underlying sociological strata that incubates such behavior.

  • ashitaka
    ashitaka

    Joelbear,

    couldn't agree more.

    ash

  • Stefanie
    Stefanie

    I think the stupid mother is to blame. She shouldnt have assulted the person she did. She should have thought of her kids. Although some people are so fricken stupid they shouldnt be allowed to breed.

    The real question is, how is it in the WTS they teach we as humans are to blame for natural disasters. That always threw me for a loop.

  • Satanus
    Satanus

    God messed up his perfect creation, and thereby started all sufferings. He messed it up because the devil succeeded in getting one man and woman to do something god didn't like. It doesn't seem too misterious, just stupid.

    SS

  • AGuest
    AGuest
    He messed it up because the devil succeeded in getting one man and woman to do something god didn't like.

    Another wrong, as well as illogical, assumption:

    Illogical - "God 'messed up' because the Devil succeeded" in getting two other people to do something? (I want to laugh, but can only shake my head, instead). Unfortunately, the "defect" was not God's - it was IN... Adam and Eve... THEIR hearts, which God has no control over... no more than He has over anyone's... unless they SUBMIT their hearts to Him. (Oh, yes, that's right: He "made" them. What, He "made" their motives, as well? Does He make yours? Dear ones, He made their flesh; their spirits, however, were their own. Just like the same two children can come out of YOU... each with their very own spirit... which can be as different as day... and night. Ask any parent.)

    Wrong - The issue had absolutely nothing to do with what God "liked" or didn't "like" (yet another misleading and false WTBTS teaching, which organization and its teachings SO MANY here adamantly claim to have discarded, but obviously simply can't help holding on to...): God did not threaten Adam/Eve with death as a punishment; God simply warned Adam and Eve of what would happen when they ate. As ANY loving father would do (i.e., "Don't go play on the freeway, Johnny, cause if you do I am personally gonna let a car come and run you over"... OR "Don't play on the freeway, dear Johnny, cause if you do, a car is going to come and run you over...").

    Ah, yes, earthling man: always "rightly" hot with anger... while God is always wrong... always... even if the "proof" says different. Go figure.

    Peace.

    SJ, a slave of Christ, of the "I am constantly amazed at people who decry religion and its false teachings and mal-influence, yet consistently refer to such false teachings in their attempts to blame God for the wrongs that humans commit against one another, when in fact the TRUTH is that God has consistently BEGGED us to be kind, loving and merciful toward one another, while religion in general and humans by default, technically teach peace and love, while LITERALLY speaking and committing acts revealing based, evil hatred..." class

    Edited by - AGuest on 9 January 2003 18:31:5

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