Watchtower's RAPE Policy

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    I think this Policy should definitely be exposed on the News/Media along with the Pedophile Policy

    Rape Policy Scenario (taken from Watchtower and Awake Magazines which are Quoted below):

    1: Woman is Raped and does not Scream and/or fight off the attacker because he has a Gun/Knife.
    2: Elders find out about her being Raped.
    3: The Elders bring her before a Judicial Hearing.
    4: The Elders ask her the exact details of what happened during the Rape.
    5: If the Elders determine that she did not Scream loud enough, or fight off the attacker enough, she will be Disfellowshipped for Fornication (or Adultery if she is Married).
    6: This is whole Scenario depends on the current New Light on this Policy which has gone back and forth about 15-20 times!
    7: This has got to be one of the most cruel and wicked Policies ever (2nd only to their Pedophile Policies)!

    Also, if the Rapist is a Jehovah's Witness, they will require 2 Eye-Witnesses against him in order for him to be Disfellowshipped!

    I would think Bill O'Reilly would want to do a Show about the Pedophile and Rape Policies.

    Policy Changes:

    Does a Woman have to Scream and/or Fight Off the Attacker in order to not have committed Fornication while being Raped?

    ??? -- Before 1964 (What was the Policy before 1964?)
    YES -- Watchtower January 15th 1964 Issue Page 63 (Old Light)
    NO -- Aid Book 1969 and 1971 Editions Page 601 (New Light)
    YES -- Awake! March 8th 1974 Issue Page 14 (Old Light)
    NO -- Awake! July 8th 1980 Issue Pages 5-6 (New Light)
    YES -- Watchtower October 15th 1980 Issue Page 7 (Old Light)
    NO -- Watchtower March 15th 1983 Issue Page 30 (New Light)
    YES -- Awake! February 22nd 1984 Issue Page 24 (Old Light)
    NO -- Awake! June 8th 1984 Issue Page 28 (New Light)
    YES -- Awake! May 22nd 1986 Issue Page 23 (Old Light)
    NO -- Awake! September 22nd 1986 Issue Page 28 (New Light)
    NO -- Insight Books (1988) (New Light)
    NO -- Pay Attention To Yourselves And To All The Flock Secret Elders Book (1991 Edition) Page 93 (New Light)
    YES -- Watchtower December 15th 1998 Issue (Old Light)
    YES -- J.R. Brown says YES to a Reporter, August 2nd 2002 (Old Light)

    Watchtower Publication Quotes are Below (Jehovah's Witnesses should be like the Noble-Minded Beroeans from Acts 17:10-11 (or at least how they used to be before the September 15th 2002 Watchtower!) and check out and carefully examine all of these Quotes at their Local Kingdom Hall Library or the Official Watchtower Library CD-ROM which is put out by the Society):

    *** Watchtower January 15th 1964 Issue, Pages 63-64 ***

    Questions from Readers

    According to the Bible at Deuteronomy 22:23-27, an Israelite engaged girl threatened with rape was required to scream. What is the position of a Christian woman today if faced with a similar situation? Is she to scream even if an attacker threatens her life with a weapon?-M. U., United States.

    According to God's law an Israelite girl was under obligation to scream: "In case there happened to be a virgin girl engaged to a man, and a man actually found her in the city and lay down with her, you must also bring them both out to the gate of that city and pelt them with stones, and they must die, the girl for the reason that she did not scream in the city, and the man for the reason that he humiliated the wife of his fellow man." If, however, the attack took place in a field and the woman screamed and thus tried to get away from the attacker, she was not to be stoned, since she was overpowered and there was no one to rescue her.-Deut. 22:23-27.

    But suppose the man had a weapon and threatened to kill the girl if she failed to lie down with him? These scriptures do not weaken the argument or alter the situation by citing any circumstance that would justify her in not screaming. It plainly says she should scream; hence, oppose the attack regardless of the circumstances. If she was overpowered and perhaps knocked unconscious and violated before help came in answer to her screams, she could not be held accountable. The thought of the scriptures apparently is that the girl's screaming, by attracting neighborhood attention, would frighten off her assailant and would save her, even though he threatened her life for not quietly complying with his wishes and passionate desires.

    Such Scriptural precedents are applicable to Christians, who are under command, "Flee from fornication." (1 Cor. 6:18) Thus if a Christian woman does not cry out and does not put forth every effort to flee, she would be viewed as consenting to the violation. The Christian woman who wants to keep clean and obey God's commandments, then, if faced with this situation today, needs to be courageous and to act on the suggestion made by the Scriptures and scream. Actually this counsel is for her welfare; for, if she should submit to the man's passionate wishes, she would not only be consenting to fornication or adultery, but be plagued by the shame. There would be shame, not only from the repulsiveness of the experience, but of having been coerced into breaking God's law by having sex connections with one other than a legal marriage mate. Not only that, but she might become an unwed mother, or she may contract a terrible disease from her morally debased attacker.

    It is true that a woman faces the possibility her assailant will carry out his threat; but, then, what guarantee does she have that such a desperate criminal would not kill her after satisfying his passion? In fact, such a one, perhaps already hunted by the law, may be more likely to kill her after the attack, since she would then have had a greater opportunity to identify him and would therefore be in a better position to supply a description of him to the authorities. In such case, following the Scriptural counsel of screaming could well save one's life by attracting attention and driving the attacker away at the outset, instead of causing him to feel that he must get rid of his victim for fear of being identified later.

    In most instances it is doubtless a matter of calling the assailant's bluff, since the girl's screams could result in his arrest for attempted rape. Also, if he carried out his threat and committed murder, he would face the likelihood of apprehension and conviction for this even more serious offense. Of course, there is the possibility that instead of fleeing immediately, the attacker may strike his victim or inflict a superficial wound to silence the screams, yet would not the endurance of such physical punishment be insignificant compared to the disgrace and shame of submitting to an immoral man?

    A Christian woman is entitled to fight for her virginity or marital fidelity to the death. Just how best she can defend herself against anyone who wants to defile her depends upon her courage and quick wits. At least, as has been mentioned, she should first try to frighten off the would-be rapist by screaming and making as loud and noisy a spectacle of the matter as she possibly can, in order to summon any convenient aid. This being unavailing, then she has a right to defend her virtue by whatever means she can.

    The morals of this generation have indeed sunk to an unprecedented low, just as Bible prophecy foretold for these last days. The fact that over 15,000 women a year, about one every half hour, are raped in the United States alone emphasizes this fact. It also serves as a warning to women that they should exercise care so as to avoid dangerous situations. Since women are almost always attacked when they are alone, they should arrange to have a companion along, especially when they are out after dark. And in localities where it is considered dangerous for women even during daylight hours, women should not go out alone but should take along a companion. God's Word says: "If somebody could overpower one alone, two together could make a stand against him. And a threefold cord cannot quickly be torn in two." (Eccl. 4:12) For a Christian woman to persist in going out alone in a city or locality where women are frequently attacked is to invite trouble and needlessly endanger life. It is the part of wisdom to give thought to what could happen in a given situation and then take the necessary precautions. The wise person foresees danger and takes steps to avoid it. "The shrewd one considers his steps."-Prov. 14:15.
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    *** Watchtower June 1st 1968 Issue, Pages 345-350 The Christian's View of Self-Defense ***

    ATTEMPTED RAPE

    If you are a Christian woman, what should you do if, in spite of all precautions, you are set upon by a rapist? If you cannot deter him by reasoning, or by calling upon the name of Jehovah, then what? As a Christian you are under obligation to resist. This resistance includes screaming and creating as much disturbance as possible to try to frighten off the attacker and attract help. If the attack continues and you cannot break free to flee, then you would be justified even to inflict damage on your assailant if necessary. Resistance is imperative, because the rapist is after, not just money, but your virtue. An issue of integrity to Jehovah's laws is involved here. So by no means would it be proper quietly to submit to rape, as that would be consenting to fornication.-1 Thess. 4:3.

    The principle is like that set out at Deuteronomy chapter 22. There it states: "In case there happened to be a virgin girl engaged to a man, and a man actually found her in the city and lay down with her, you must also bring them both out to the gate of that city and pelt them with stones, and they must die." Why would the girl have died under that Law covenant? The scripture continues: "The girl for the reason that she did not scream in the city." If she did not make the effort to scream, she was viewed as consenting to fornication. But if the woman screamed and resisted and nonetheless was overpowered, then she was not guilty of complicity: "The girl . . . screamed, but there was no one to rescue her."-Deut. 22:23-27.

    Would it be different if the man had a weapon and threatened to kill you if you did not submit? No, the Scriptures plainly state that Christians are under obligation to "flee from fornication." (1 Cor. 6:18) It is true that you face the possibility of death in this case. But you have no guarantee that if you meekly submit, your assailant will not kill you anyhow to avoid identification.

    Christian women are wise if they do all they can to avoid making themselves targets for rapists. Knowing that the morals of this generation are sinking to new lows, take every precaution. In unsafe areas avoid traveling alone after dark. As Ecclesiastes 4:12 states: "If somebody could overpower one alone, two together could make a stand against him. And a threefold cord cannot quickly be torn in two." Also consider how you dress. If a woman adopts the provocative, suggestive styles of dress now so prevalent, she indicates that she is a woman of loose morals, and in so doing she may invite trouble.

    Resistance includes screaming and creating as much disturbance as possible
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    *** Aid to Bible Understanding Book (1969 and 1971 Editions) Page 1371+ and Page 601 ***

    [Note: The Aid Book is not available on 1993/1995/1999 Official Watchtower Library CD-ROMs]

    RAPE is defined as unlawful sexual intercourse without the woman's consent, effected by force, duress, intimidation...

    FORNICATION: Sex relations by mutual agreement between two persons not married to each other.
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    *** Awake! March 8th 1974 Issue, Pages 13-16 Faced with the Threat of Rape ***

    Rape is illicit sexual intercourse without the consent of the woman and is effected by force.

    Scream! Scream! Scream! Is that good advice? It certainly is. Just how good this advice is can be seen from what happened on November 12, 1973, in one of Brooklyn's largest hotels.

    Threatened with Rape

    The rapist was a well-dressed man. He had the physique of a football player, being well over six feet tall and weighing about 250 pounds. He took the elevator to the tenth floor of the hotel and there began to molest a middle-aged woman tenant, who managed to escape his clutches by screaming. She at once called the police, who came but were unable to locate him in the building, he having fled to lower floors.

    On the second floor he saw two fine young women housekeepers who asked him if they could help him. "Yes, you can," he said, and, pulling out a gun, ordered them into one of the rooms, upon which he double-locked the door. He assured them that they would not get hurt so long as they did not make any noise. He said that he needed a place to hide until things cooled off downstairs and that he would keep them there for an hour.

    These two young women happened to be Christian ministers and they began to make conversation so as to release the tension. One of them asked him if they could read while they were waiting. He said Yes, and so she took a Bible study aid that was in reach, handed another to the other woman and started a Bible discussion on the subject of how long Noah had preached before the flood came, it being a subject that had come up the day before in her Christian field ministry. She noted that it must have been about forty years, but the man thought it had been about 200 years. From that discussion they went on to such subjects as the name of God, Jehovah, and the kingdom for which Jesus taught his followers to pray. They also told him that they were Christian witnesses of Jehovah and about the high standards of conduct the Witnesses have. The two women were not particularly frightened, for it seemed much like a typical Bible discussion that these girls often had, especially as the man kept expressing his own opinions on these subjects.

    But after about forty-five minutes things suddenly took a disquieting turn. He looked at his watch and said that he would have to tie them up so as to give him time to get away. Although they assured him that it was not necessary, he ordered one of them to sit on the floor in a closet, upon which he tied her feet with a necktie, and her hands behind her back. He then turned off the light in the closet and closed the door. He ordered the other into the bathroom but then changed his mind and, warning her not to scream or yell, he reached for the zipper on her blouse. She exclaimed: "No! No! Not that!" and told him that if he touched her she would scream as he had never heard anyone scream before and that if he was going to shoot he might as well go ahead and shoot because if she did not scream she would be as good as dead anyhow.

    She told him that marriage was honorable before God and that she was married, but that what he wanted to do was not honorable. Also, that if she did not scream she would ruin her relationship with Jehovah God and the Christian congregation; that then she would be disfellowshiped or excommunicated from it and that this would be worse than being killed as far as she was concerned. He looked puzzled. He did not understand and so asked her to repeat what she had said, which she did, scared and shaking though she was. As she later explained: "The situation sickened me and the mere thought of it all was so disgusting that I knew what I had to do." After all of this he again tried to put his arms around her, upon which she moved away, saying, "Don't you touch me or come near me."

    This calls to mind a statement made by the Dallas, Texas, police department, namely, that "a woman's best defenses" are, among other things, "her wits" and "a scream."

    Yes, this young woman in the Brooklyn hotel used her wits by courageously using her knowledge of the Bible, thereby diverting the would-be rapist from his evil intent. As a result, he pursued the matter no further with these two women but left after first ordering them not to leave the room for fifteen minutes.

    Frustrated a second time, this rapist was not giving up. Coming out into the hallway, he saw another fine young woman and began engaging her in conversation, asking where the elevators were, the nature of the rooms on the floor, and so forth. Suddenly he moved close to her and tried to push her into one of the rooms the door of which was open.

    What could she do? He was every bit a foot taller than she was and weighed at least twice as much. She did what the Bible indicates a young woman should do: she screamed, louder than she had ever screamed before. (Deut. 22:23-27) This was wholly unexpected by the rapist. Startled, he ran down the steps at the end of the hallway.

    As the three young women told their story at the police station, their hearers, increasing from three to eight men and two policewomen, marveled at what they heard. They could not get over it that two of these young women had talked about the Bible to a would-be rapist. One of the women officers asked for more information about the beliefs of Jehovah's witnesses and stated that if more women took such a determined and firm stand there would be fewer such crimes.

    Why the Increase?

    The foregoing experience in a Brooklyn hotel last November is but one instance of this social crime that is increasing on every hand. And that increase is very real. As the editor of America's Campus Law Enforcement Journal said about this increase: "It's not just a question of more women reporting it. It has happened."

    No doubt one of the main reasons for rapes has ever been the extreme selfishness of men who refuse to control their mating instinct. As Dr. Ralph Garofalo, of Massachusetts' Center for Diagnosis and Treatment of Sexually Dangerous Persons, put it: 'Normal men find a socially acceptable outlet for their desires, while the rapist loses sight of all moral or legal considerations.' But why the great increase of rape in modern times and in recent years?

    Discussing the reasons, a Seattle, Washington, police official in charge of the city's sex-crime investigation department stated: "Our whole moral climate, our attitudes toward sex and the dress of the women have to be causes." He also stated that the 'increased exposure to pornography has contributed to the rise in reported rapes.'

    Womankind must share the blame. To begin with, until the age of five or six years, the most vital period, little boys have their personalities molded largely by women, their mothers. And as they grow up, it is usually the mother that has the most opportunities to inculcate in her son respect for womankind, both by word and by example. But far too many mothers have come short in this regard. Especially and specifically blameworthy are those female relatives, such as an aunt or even a mother, who have used boys as sexual playthings, thereby starting them on a road that leads to their having aggressive feelings toward women.

    A new American motion picture star who aims to occupy the place once held by America's previous sex symbol brags about her charms and about her ability to arouse men by displaying herself in motion pictures. Such actresses must also share in the blame for the increase in rapes, for after men have seen them on the screen they frequently go out and attack a woman who may be a paragon of virtue.

    The New York Times, November 26, 1973, told of two fifteen-year-old girls being forced, shortly after midnight, into a store by an employee of the store who kept them for four hours and repeatedly raped one of them until the police came and rescued the girls and arrested the kidnapper and rapist. But what business did two teen-age girls have on the streets around midnight?

    And never should a single woman, or even two, for that matter, take a chance on hitchhiking with a strange man. Many have done so, to be not only raped, but even murdered.

    Further, in view of the way that many men think, each virtuous woman should be careful to dress modestly. According to the Seattle, Washington, police lieutenant in charge of the department dealing with such crimes, women who "reveal everything" in the way they dress make themselves more vulnerable to rape. "You can't advertise a commodity and expect no buyers . . . A little modesty," he holds, would prevent some rapes.
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    *** Awake! July 8th 1980 Issue, Pages 5-6 The Growing Terror of Rape ***

    How Most Victims React

    Understandably, a woman faced with the threat of rape may be terrified. In fact, two Boston College professors, after interviews with 80 rape victims, noted: "The primary reaction of almost all women to the rape was fear." And the problem is that such fear can be paralyzing.

    The illustration was given by a rape victim: "Did you ever see a rabbit stuck in the glare of your headlights when you were going down a road at night? Transfixed-like it knew it was going to get it-that's what happened."

    Often coupled with the fear is confusion and uncertainty. For example, a 19-year-old explained: "I never physically fought him off in any way, partly because I was frightened, mostly because in my navet I thought a girl has to do what she's told. . . . I was overwhelmingly confused and defenseless against the whole suddenness."

    She reacted as many others have under similar circumstances. She submitted. Few are prepared to resist--to resist for all they are worth. Elizabeth R. Dobell, writing in the magazine Seventeen, made the surprising revelation: "In only one of the 4,057 rape cases reported in New York City in 1974 was there an act of resistance. . . . Profound terror in the face of physical threats simply renders most women helpless."
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    *** Watchtower October 15th 1980 Issue, Page 7 Avoiding the Tragedy of Rape ***

    Back in March 1974, Awake! magazine described how a man with a gun had held two of Jehovah's Witnesses prisoner in a hotel room. As he reached for the zipper on one girl's blouse, she exclaimed: "No! No! Not that!" She told him that if he touched her she would scream as he had never heard anyone scream before. She explained that if she did not she would ruin her relationship with Jehovah God and the Christian congregation. (Compare Deuteronomy 22:22-29.) Her firm demand: "Don't you touch me or come near me" kept the rapist at bay.

    This woman did the Scripturally proper thing, which actually is the best thing to do. A Christian woman is under obligation to resist, for the issue of obedience to God's law to "flee from fornication" is involved. (1 Cor. 6:18) By no means would it be proper for her willingly to submit to being raped.
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    *** Watchtower March 15th 1983 Issue, Pages 30-31 Honor Godly Marriage! ***

    Defining "Fornication"

    What do we understand here by "fornication"? The Greek word in this text is porneia.

    Footnotes:
    A male or a female who is forcibly raped would not be guilty of porneia.
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    *** Awake! February 22nd 1984 Issue, Pages 24-27 They Resisted Rapists ***

    They Resisted Rapists

    GENERALLY rapists try to get a woman in some isolated place where people are not around. At times they have a weapon and threaten to use it if the victim does not cooperate. Should a Christian quietly submit?

    No, the situation is not the same as when a man simply is asking for money or other material possessions. A woman wisely would give him these. But the rapist is asking a person to break God's law by committing fornication. Under such circumstances a Christian is obligated to resist.-1 Corinthians 6:18.

    'But could not resistance be dangerous?' someone may ask. Yes, it could be. Yet it may well be more dangerous not to resist, as a teacher of rape self-defense notes: "He just may kill you when he's done so you can't identify him later."

    The comments of a leading spokeswoman on rape are noteworthy. She said: "Despite the popular myths of male violence and the alleged safety in submission, it has never been demonstrated that resistance on the part of a rape victim in an attempt to escape 'provokes' an assailant to commit an act of murder." The following experience illustrates this.

    Two young women were in a Laundromat when a man came in and at gunpoint herded them into a room in the rear of the building. He ordered them to undress. They refused, praying aloud to Jehovah God for help. Finally, they told the now-confused gunman that they were Jehovah's Witnesses and that it was against their religious belief to do what he was demanding; they would not do it even if he shot them. Result? The frustrated gunman fled.

    Treat Him Respectfully

    The intended victim should remember that the rapist is a human. No doubt there are circumstances in his life that have precipitated his behavior. So although a woman should not cower in fear and permit a rapist to intimidate her, at the same time she should treat him understandingly, as a fellow human. A woman who lived in a housing project in New York City writes:

    "I usually am careful when going into elevators. As usual, I checked this one out before entering, and all was OK. However, just before the door closed completely, a big man grabbed the door and opened it to come into the elevator with me. As he entered he threw a six-pack of beer at me, and I caught it. It took me by surprise.

    "As the door closed he turned his back to me to do something with his pants. Then he turned around and faced me. I didn't look down at his pants but looked him in the eyes. I threw his six-pack of beer back to him, and said, 'Here is your beer.'

    "At this moment, before he could do anything, I started to talk. I said I was one of Jehovah's Witnesses and was going up to the 13th floor to have a Bible study with a family who was waiting for me. I just kept talking and told him about our Bible educational work. We were half way up to the 13th floor by now, and as I kept right on talking I showed no fear, looking him straight in the eyes. Then a funny thing happened. He began to say that he loved the Bible and that he was from the South and his family loved God too.

    "Meanwhile, we had reached the 13th floor, and he opened the door to let me out. He asked me if I would do him the honor of shaking his hand. I did, and he practically shook it off. Then he said he wanted to thank me because I was the first white woman that hadn't looked at him with scorn in her eyes, and that I was sincere in talking with him. He then said good-bye and wished me good luck on my Bible study."

    Resisting in One's Home

    Rapes that occur in one's own home can be particularly traumatic, since the surroundings are a constant reminder of the event. How much better, therefore, for one to resist! A mother who was able to avoid being raped in her home in Detroit, Michigan, tells how she did it.

    "It was 5:30 a.m. when I was awakened by the sound of footsteps. At first I was unsure from which direction they were coming. I looked at my watch and saw that it was too early for my oldest daughter to be getting ready for school. My husband is a traveling musician and was away. I had been asleep downstairs. Since I knew no one was upstairs, I decided the sounds were coming from the front porch. So I turned on the porch light. Immediately I heard footsteps run down the stairs, and when I turned, there stood a strange man.

    "Because the man had his hand inside his coat, as if he had a gun, I said, 'If you are going to kill me, do it.' He said he had a gun and would shoot me if I did not do everything he commanded. He told me to turn off all the lights and sit on the couch. I turned off the lights but refused to sit on the couch. He said he would kill me if I did not let him rape me. Then he started pushing me to the couch, so I quoted Matthew 16:26, which says: 'For what benefit will it be to a man if he gains the whole world but forfeits his soul? or what will a man give in exchange for his soul?'

    "The man stopped pushing me and asked what the scripture meant. So I explained that if I resisted him and remained faithful to my God and my husband, and was killed for this faithfulness, I would have a hope of being resurrected to a Paradise earth and everlasting life. But if I gave in and he raped me, I would eventually die and have no hope of a resurrection.

    "The intruder knew he was not going to talk me into letting him rape me, so he started pulling at my clothing. I remembered the scripture at Deuteronomy chapter 22 that says if you are attacked in the city and do not scream it is considered the same as consenting. I then said very loudly, 'Stop! Please! No! Don't do that! Mister, please leave my house!'

    "If a woman is attacked, her best weapon is still her lungs"
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    *** Awake! June 8th 1984 Issue, Page 28 From Our Readers ***

    I was deeply disturbed by the article "They Resisted Rapists." I am very upset that anyone would even consider a victim of rape guilty of fornication. The scripture at Deuteronomy that you quote only requires that the woman scream, not fight to the death!
    C. W., Indiana

    Your article "They Resisted Rapists" disturbed me very much. I was raped by a man who attacked me with a knife. I could only scream once because of being choked and having a large hand pressed against my mouth. I fought until I was unconscious. Because I survived, it disturbs me that it is fornication on my part. You say to show a rapist respect. These men show no respect for their victim. They don't care that they are shattering a woman, leaving in her memory horror for the rest of her life. Unless you have personally experienced the horror of this crime, you can never truly understand.
    A. G., Massachusetts

    For the victim to be considered guilty of fornication there would need to be proof of willing consent. Apparently the requirement of Deuteronomy 22:25-27 for the woman to resist by screaming would clear her from any suspicion of such consent on her part.
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    *** Awake! May 22nd 1986 Issue, Page 23 "Now You Are Going to Die!" ***

    Why you should resist an attacker from the first moment:

    1. Attacker may be startled and leave you

    2. You may incapacitate attacker and be able to flee

    3. Attacker may lose sexual urge or tire out and retreat

    4. You can attract others to assist you

    5. Your conscience will be clear. (Even if you are raped, you will not sacrifice your self-respect or cleanness before God)

    6. Injuries you inflict on an attacker will help police identify him later (for example, bits of his skin under your fingernails)
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    *** Awake! September 22nd 1986 Issue Page 28 From Our Readers ***

    Resisting Rape

    Thank you for your article "Now You Are Going to Die!" (May 22, 1986) I might note some concerns about the advice given, however. Some rapists are very angry and sadistic in their approach and come armed with weapons and the intent to use them if there is the least provocation. Our Metropolitan Organization to Counter Sexual Assault suggests resistance, but if the woman is paralyzed by fear or her instincts tell her not to resist, we recognize that as appropriate. We would rather have someone live through the experience than be killed or seriously mutilated.
    P. R., United States

    The Bible does support the thought that a woman attacked by a rapist should scream and resist. True, the woman has to respond according to her assessment of the danger to her life, and we believe that is covered in the advice given in the box on page 23 (May 22, 1986). It should be kept in mind that submitting to rape gives no guarantee that the victim will not be beaten or killed afterward. See the article "They Resisted Rapists" in our issue of February 22, 1984.-ED.
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    *** Insight on the Scriptures Books (1988) ***

    (Says you are NOT required to scream if you are Raped)
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    *** Awake! August 22nd 1989 Issue, Page 24 ***

    If a woman does not cry out when attacked, it indicates she is submitting to the man and is committing a sin against Jehovah.
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    *** Pay Attention To Yourselves And To All The Flock Secret Elders Book, 1991 (Latest) Edition, Page 93 ***

    Self-abuse, or masturbation, is not "porna'a," nor would one who was raped be guilty of por.neia. (Watchtower March 15th 1983 Issue, Page 30; Watchtower March 1st 1974 Issue, Page 160; Insight Book Volume 1 Pages 862-864; T.P. Page 144)
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    *** Awake! March 8th 1993 Issue Pages 4-5 The Reality of Rape ***

    Rape myths create a false sense of security. In other words, if you can find some fault in the victim's behavior-she dressed in tight clothing or she went out alone at night or she really wanted to have sexual relations-you or your loved ones will be safe if that conduct is avoided; therefore you will never be raped. The alternative, that rape is a senseless act of violence that can happen to anybody, regardless of how she is dressed, is too terrifying to accept.

    One woman, raped by someone she thought of as "nice, respectable," pleads: "The worst possible thing you can do is believe it won't happen to you."

    Rape Myths and Realities

    The following are some of the long-held misconceptions about rape that serve to blame the victim and to perpetuate attitudes that encourage the perpetrators:

    Myth: Rape happens only when a woman is attacked by a stranger.

    Fact: The majority of women who are raped are assaulted by someone they know and had trusted. One study found that 84 percent of victims knew their attackers and that 57 percent of the rapes happened on dates. One out of 7 married women will be raped by her own husband. Rapes are violent and emotionally traumatic whether the attacker is a stranger, a spouse, or a date.

    Myth: It's rape only if a woman afterward shows evidence of resistance, such as bruises.

    Fact: Whether they physically resisted or not, few women show visible evidence, such as bruises or cuts.

    Myth: A rape victim bears part of the blame unless she actively resists.

    Fact: Rape by definition takes place when force or the threat of force is used to gain sexual penetration, of any kind whatsoever, against a person's will. It is the rapist's use of force against an unwilling victim that makes him a rapist. Thus, a rape victim is not guilty of fornication. Like an incest victim, she may be forced to submit to an act she doesn't want because of the perceived power held over her by another person. When a woman is forced to submit to a rapist out of terror or disorientation, it does not mean that she consents to the act. Consent is based on choice without threat and is active, not passive.

    Myth: Rape is an act of passion.

    Fact: Rape is an act of violence. Men rape, not solely for sex, but to feel power over another person.

    Myth: A woman can tease or lead a man on to the point that he can no longer control his sexual urges.

    Fact: Men who rape do not have a stronger sex drive than other men have. Rather, one third of all rapists were unable to complete the sex act. In most cases rapes are planned acts, not spontaneous urges. Both stranger and acquaintance rapists usually set up their victims-the stranger by stalking the victim until she is alone, the acquaintance by arranging a situation where she is isolated.

    Myth: Women lie about rape to get revenge on a man or because they feel guilty about having sex.

    Fact: False reports of rape occur at the same rate as for any other violent crime: 2 percent. On the other hand, researchers agree that rape is grossly underreported.

    Myth: A woman can "ask" to be raped by wearing provocative clothing, drinking alcohol, letting a man pay her way, or going to his home.

    Fact: Using bad judgment, being naive or ignorant, does not mean that a woman deserves to be raped. Rapists bear sole responsibility for the rape.

    [Footnotes]
    "The crime is not about the act of 'sex' but rather the sexual act is the tool that the perpetrator uses to commit a violent crime."-Wanda Keyes-Robinson, division chief, Sexual Offense Unit, Baltimore City, Maryland.

    [Box on Page 7]

    Profile of a Potential Rapist

    * Emotionally abuses you by insulting you, ignoring your views, or getting angry or annoyed when you make a suggestion.
    * Tries to control elements of your life, such as how you dress and who your friends are. Wants to make all the decisions on a date, such as where to eat or what movie to see.
    * Gets jealous for no reason.
    * Talks down about women in general.
    * Gets drunk or "high" and tries to get you to do the same.
    * Pressures you to be alone with him or to have sex.
    * Won't let you share expenses on a date and gets angry if you offer to pay.
    * Is physically violent even in subtle ways, such as grabbing or pushing.
    * Intimidates you by sitting too close, blocking your way, touching when you've said not to, or talking as if he knows you better than he actually does.
    * Can't handle frustration without getting angry.
    * Doesn't view you as an equal.
    * Enjoys weapons and likes being cruel to animals, children, or people he can bully.

    From I Never Called It Rape, by Robin Warshaw.
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    *** Watchtower December 15th 1998 Issue ***

    This exemplifies that when it comes to money and material things, victims of robbery who do not resist may reduce the likelihood of injury.

    Footnote: There are, of course, limits to cooperation. Jehovah's servants do not cooperate in any way that violates God's law. For example, a Christian would not willingly submit to rape.

    (Our Comment: In other words, you have to SCREAM or be DISFELLOWSHIPPED!)
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    David Semonian, a Spokesman for the Christian Congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses, answered Questions prompted by Diane Wilson's Book on the Watchtower Society. He spoke by Phone from the Organization's Bethel World Headquarters in Brooklyn, New York (This was Published on a News Website on May 18th 2002):

    Reporter's Question: "How is rape viewed?"

    David Semonian's Answer: "Any time a woman is sexually assaulted, we view it as a horrible crime. And we are there -- the Elders, the Congregation -- to support that person. We handle it with the utmost compassion."

    Reporter's Question: "Has the Watchtower ``zigzagged'' on Doctrine?"

    David Semonian's Answer: "We've never claimed to be infallible, inspired or perfect as an Organization. And so it's a fact that with increased knowledge, as we increase our study of the Bible and come to a better understanding, that from time to time we will make adjustments. We humbly do that."

    Reporter's Question: "Is the Organization a Direct Channel between God and humanity?"

    David Semonian's Answer: "Again, our Governing Body has never claimed that our Organization is inspired or infallible. Instead they, our Governing Body, study the Bible diligently and through prayer they make a request for his Holy Spirit to direct them and be upon them. And with his help, they come to decisions. So we believe this to be the Channel that God is using today. But our Governing Body has said that it is not inspired or infallible."

    Reporter's Question: "What is 'Disfellowshipping'?"

    David Semonian's Answer: "It involves someone who has committed a serious spiritual violation, such as adultery or stealing; the Bible directs that they receive a readjustment. They usually meet with three Elders of the Congregation, who will see if the alleged accusation is true, because sometimes it's not. And the Elders will see whether the person confesses or whether there are witnesses to the act."

    "And if it is true, the Scriptures say to readjust the person, help them come to their senses that what they did was wrong, to show them that Jehovah God is very merciful if they change their course. So it's a very loving arrangement. The aim is to keep the person in good standing with God and the Congregation."

    "Now if the person blatantly refuses to be helped, even after several Meetings, then the Bible says in First Corinthians, 'Quit mixing in company with anyone called a brother that . . .,' and then it mentions a variety of serious sins. It mentions a fornicator, an idolator, a drunkard."

    "This is only after they blatantly refuse the help. Then the Bible says to quit mixing with them, or the term we use is 'Disfellowship.' Other Churches say 'Excommunicate.' "

    "Now, why is that loving? Because the rest of the Congregation knows that they are among clean worshipers of Jehovah. They are protected against serious, wrong violators of Bible principles. The shunning has also impressed, upon the one who refuses, the need to come back to the loving Congregation. It may help him come back to his senses."
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    August 2nd 2002 Comment by J.R. Brown (Watchtower Society's Main Spokesman and Bethel Elder) in an Interview with a Person (mikepence) over the Phone (Was this a real Interview? I saw parts of it Posted on this Board and on a "Dances with Cactus" Website.):

    Question asked by mikepence: "Is requiring a woman to scream during a rape a 'reasonable position to take'?"

    Answer by J.R. Brown: "We feel that is a reasonable position to take. Weve had a fairly consistent Policy. If this [screaming and resisting sexual assault] has been done, then we are not going to view that, obviously, as some immorality."

    J.R. Brown and mikepence did not discuss whether Jehovah's Witnesses require a child to scream during a rape or not.

    mikepence said this after the Interview: "Would I be compromising my objectivity to admit that I need to go puke in disgust?"
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    *** Watchtower February 1881 Issue, Page 3 (When Charles Taze Russell was President of the Society) ***

    "If we were following a man undoubtedly it would be different with us; undoubtedly one human idea would contradict another and that which was light one or two years ago would be regarded as darkness now. But with God there is no variableness, neither shadow of turning, and so it is with truth; any knowledge or light coming from God must be like its author. A new view of truth never can contradict a former truth. New Light never extinguishes older light, but adds to it..."
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    *** Awake! April 22nd 1970 Issue, Pages 8-10 ***

    Changes That Disturb People

    One of the reasons is that people are disturbed by what is happening in their churches. Yes, millions of persons have been shocked to learn that things they were taught as being vital for salvation are now considered by their church to be wrong. Have you, too, felt discouragement, or even despair, because of what is happening in your church?

    A businessman in Medelln, Colombia, expressed the effect the changes have had on many.
    Tell me, he asked, how can I have confidence in anything? How can I believe in the Bible, in God, or have faith? Just ten years ago we Catholics had the absolute truth, we put all our faith in this. Now the pope and our priests are telling us this is not the way to believe any more, but we are to believe new things. How do I know the new things will be the truth in five years? What are some of these changes that disturb people?

    Should Meat Be Eaten on Friday?

    FOR centuries Catholics abstained from eating meat on Fridays. It was a Church law. Many sincerely believed it was a law of Almighty God. But now this has changed.
    The fact is that the meatless-Friday rule was made an obligation only some 1,100 years ago. Pope Nicholas I (858-867) was the one who put it into effect. And how vital was it considered that Catholics abide by this rule? A publication that bears the Catholic imprimatur, indicating approval, states: The Catholic Church says that it is a mortal sin for a Catholic to eat meat on Friday knowingly and wilfully, without a sufficiently grave and excusing reason. It adds: The Church says that if a man dies in unrepented mortal sin, he will go to hell.Radio Replies, Rumble and Carty (1938).

    Thus the devout carefully avoided eating meat on Fridays. They sincerely believed that failure to obey could lead to their eternal punishment in a fiery hell. But then, early in 1966, Pope Paul VI authorized local Church officials to modify this abstinence requirement in their countries as they saw fit. The pope was acting in line with recommendations made at the recently completed Second Vatican Council. Thus, in one country after another, meatless Fridays were virtually abolishedin France, Canada, Italy, Mexico, the United States, and so on.

    The Effect

    The effect upon many devout Catholics has been devastating. All these years I thought it was a sin to eat meat, explained a housewife in the midwestern United States. Now I suddenly find out it isnt a sin. Thats hard to understand. If you are a Catholic, can you understand how a practice that was considered by the Church a mortal sin can suddenly be approved? if it was a sin five years ago, why is it not today? Many Catholics cannot understand. When a woman in Canada was asked how she felt about the changes in her church, she replied: I dont know. Maybe you can tell me. What are they going to do with all those people sent to hell for eating meat on Friday?

    Not just a few Catholics have asked such questions. The change in teaching has shaken their confidence in the Church. Would you not feel the same way if what you had always been taught to be vital for salvation was suddenly considered unnecessary? Would you not be inclined to question other teachings of your church also?

    Many persons have begun to ask questions regarding the basis for this teaching, as well as about other Church teachings. And what especially disturbs them is that they have not received satisfying answers.

    What Becomes Evident

    The inability of the Church to explain its position Scripturally makes evident an important fact: The Catholic Church has not based its teachings upon what Gods Word says. Rather, it has founded many of its beliefs and practices on the unstable traditions of men.
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    *** The Watchtower July 1st 2002 Issue ***

    "since 1919, the Israel of God has obediently and consistently shed forth Jehovah's light."
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    Compare what you read above to the kind, loving, forgiving attitude of Christ Jesus below:

    John Chapter 8, Verses 3 through 12:

    And the Scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman seized in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst, They say to Him, "Master, this woman was seized in adultery, in the very act. Now Moses in the Law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what do You say?" This they said, tempting Him, that they might have a reason to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down, and with His finger wrote on the ground, as though He did not hear them. So when they continued asking Him, He lifted Himself up, and said to them, "He who is without sin among YOU, let him cast the first stone at her." And again He stooped down, and wrote on the ground. And they who heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the oldest, even to the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst. When Jesus had lifted Himself up, and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, "Woman, where are those, your accusers? Has no man condemned you?" She said, "No man, Lord." And Jesus said to her, "Neither do I condemn you: go, and sin no more." Then Jesus spoke again to them, saying, "I am the Light of the World: he who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the Light of Life."

    Matthew Chapter 7, Verses 15 through 23:

    Beware of false prophets, who come to YOU in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. YOU shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thorns, or figs from thistles? Even so every good tree brings forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree brings forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that does not bring forth good fruit is cut down, and cast into the fire. Therefore by their fruits YOU shall know them. Not every one who says to Me, "Lord, Lord", shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven; but he who does the Will of My Father who is in Heaven. Many will say to Me in that Day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your Name and in Your Name have we not cast out demons? And in Your Name have we not done many wonderful works?" And then will I profess to them, I never knew YOU: depart from Me, YOU who work wickedness.

    Matthew Chapter 21, Verse 43:

    Therefore I say to YOU, The Kingdom of God shall be taken from YOU, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits of it.

    Psalm 118:8:

    It is better to trust in Jehovah than to put confidence in man.
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    If anyone knows of anymore Quotes on this subject, please add them to this Thread.

    Does this Policy apply to Men or Children? At what age does this Policy "kick in"?

    Here are Links to other Discussions on this Website and on other Websites about this Policy:

    http://www.jesus-witnesses.com/scream.htm

    http://watchtower.observer.org/apps/pbcs.dll/section?Category=JWANDSOCIETY5

    http://www.freeminds.org/psych/rape.htm

    http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/apl/jw/rape.txt

    http://www.macgregorministries.org/jehovahs_witnesses/wt_victims/rape.html

    http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/rape_is_fornication.htm

    http://quotes.jehovahswitnesses.com/rape_not_fornication.htm

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=24064&site=3

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=9031&site=3

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=25658&site=3

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=29060&site=3

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=3717&site=3

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=1054&site=3

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=8933&site=3

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=13780&site=3

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=31605&site=3

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=27879&site=3

    http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=32173&site=3

    I hope this information helps people.

    If anyone has any comments or information to add, please do so.

    Edited by - UnDisfellowshipped on 26 August 2002 8:28:39

    Edited by - UnDisfellowshipped on 26 August 2002 8:58:52

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    Edited by - UnDisfellowshipped on 27 August 2002 2:22:48

  • abbagail
    abbagail

    Thanks UNDf for posting such a comprehensive list of WTS quotes on this subject. I will post the URL to this thread on the Silent Lambs Guestbook. This is the kind of info everyone appreciates, maybe even some dubs secretly!

    Thanks again.
    Grits

  • Amazing
    Amazing

    Good post. I have been aware of the many flip-flops of the Society on this issue. I think it is good to add this issue into SilentLambs as Grits did. Certainly it is a closely related issue this demonstrates Watchtower incompetance to deal with serious sexual issues and crimes.

  • morrisamb
    morrisamb

    At the point I am now in my life, if I was sitting in any "house of God" and I heard off that platform a woman being raped must scream or else she's committing fornication, I wouldn't scream but I'd walk silently out the door and never look back.

    Unfortunately, there are many religions' teachings that denegrate women. It is "man" that has used these teachings to rationalize their behaviour. In the instance of Witnesses, many are clueness as to the connection. Simon's site is a great source of education for those who have an open mind.

    Thanks for posting this.

  • hawkaw
    hawkaw

    I just thought I would let you guys have the link to the August 22, 1967 Awake! article that discusses why women cannot be put in high up positions in the Borg. This is just so disgusting and is still current light.

    Click here and dont forget to add the "http://" in front of the below urls.

    hawkawl.freeservers.com/Page_27.jpg

    hawkawl.freeservers.com/Page_28.jpg

    Feel free to print off the scanned copies I have made for you. Due to linking restrictions, I cannot post them to the board except but i can give you the urls.

    hawk

    Edited by - hawkaw on 26 August 2002 9:39:29

    Edited by - hawkaw on 27 August 2002 14:25:20

  • Francois
    Francois

    Jehovah's Witnesses are SO FULL OF SHIT on this issue.

    Their entire policy depends upon the re-introduction of the Mosaic Law and the application of its principles. This is just what the entire book of Galatians warned against: ANYONE who would attempt the re-introduction of the Law was to be ignored...or worse.

    Until the JWs can get past the PROHIBITED reintroduction of the Law, all the rest of their argumentation doesn't amount to a pile of warm, steaming camel turds, AND THEY KNOW IT.

    Frank Tyrrell
    Decatur, GA

    Want to debate that one, boys? You spiritually spineless COWARDS!

  • orangefatcat
    orangefatcat

    wow undi great research, I always appreciate when someone goes to such great lengths for everyones benefit in the forum. Thanks so much.

    ofc.

    PS, welcome to the forum and I hope you will be with us for along time to come.

  • abbagail
    abbagail

    Francois: Where did you find that GEM of an argument? That was great! Would it be okay to cut and paste it to the Silent Lambs Guestbook? (with URL to this page, of course, which I already posted there for the WT Quotes provided by UNDf'd).

    And Thanks Hawkaw for the "still new light" Awake info. Gotta check that out!

    Grits

  • i_wanna_know
    i_wanna_know

    Does that mean that when the Witness women that have been kidnapped in the Philippines are rescued and it's found out that they were raped or forced to marry their captors, as some newspapers are reporting occur with this group of captors, that they will be df'ed by the org for adultery and fornication? After all, how is the org gonna know whether these women screamed or not? Maybe they didn't yell LOUD ENOUGH? Or is the ol' org gonna change the UNDERSTANDING yet again to justify their NOT df'ing these women so as not to appear to be the cold-hearted people they are? Can ya imagine the MEDIA FRENZY that would follow if the org DOES df these women ACCORDING TO CURRENT POLICY!? Woo hoo!!

    hatemax

    BTW: I dont wanna sound mean here. Just askin' the questions I don't see anyone else asking about this latest news fiasco...

  • Francois
    Francois

    Grits -

    I just happened to be reading Galatians one day and it hit me like a ton of bricks. You know the JWs have attempted to reintroduce the Mosaic Law concept of "bloodguilt" via this same technique? That is, we're not under the law, but the same principles apply? Well, what the hell is the difference between applying the Law's principles and applying the literal law? NOTHING.

    You can use that modest argument any time, any place, for any reason, attribution is not necessary. The truth is the truth and no one owns it. Use it well, my friend with my compliments.

    - francois

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