Should Christians drink cappucino?

by ozziepost 25 Replies latest jw friends

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    Should a true Christian drink a cappucino?

    Perhaps you have never considered the matter, but what are the origins of this popular beverage?

    The name cappucino is derived from the word to describe the bones of 4,000 Capuchin friars in Rome, Italy. A visit to Rome may bring you to the Capuchin Crypt.

    This is the description given in the book “Let’s Go Western Europe (St Martin’s Press)”:
    Under the heading “TOO MUCH CAPPUCINO WILL DO THE SAME TO YOU” it reads,
    “The bones of 4,000 Capuchin friars (for whom cappucino is named) decorate the four rooms of the Church of L’Immacolata Concezione’s Capuchin Crypt, one of the most bizarre and elaborately macabre settings in Rome. A French monk inaugurated the crypt in 1528, but never saw his brilliant concept brought to its completion because the crypt was not finished until 1870. Angels deck the halls, with hip bones serving as wings. The bodies of more recently dead friars stand, robed and hooded, beneath bone arches. Even the hanging lights are made of bones. Dirt was shipped in especially from Jerusalem to line the floors. The last chapel displays two severed arms with mummy-like skin hanging on the back wall. Also featured in this chapel is a child’s skeleton plastered to the ceiling, holding a scale and a reaper, and accompanied by the uplifting inscription: ‘What you are now we used to be, what we are now you will be’.”

    Could it be that this beverage’s origins have escaped the notice of the F&DS, for instaed of alerting the readers to its unsavoury origins, the Awake! Magazine of November 8, 1967, on page 22 gave instructions for making the drink. In case any readers missed getting the instructions, here they are from the Awake! Magazine:

    Instructions for Foaming Milk
    To foam and/or steam milk for cappuccinos and lattes, you will need a steel pitcher, cold milk, and a milk steamer. If your espresso maker does not include a wand for milk steaming, you can purchase a stand-alone device for this purpose.
    1. Fill a steel pitcher no more than halfway with cold milk.
    2. Place the steam wand just under the surface of the milk, and open the steam valve.
    3. Keep the tip of the wand barely under the surface, lowering the pitcher and incorporating more air as you foam.
    4. The ideal temperature is usually reached when the pitcher becomes too hot to touch.
    5. Close the steam valve, and remove the pitcher from under it. Then open the steam valve to clear any remaining milk, and wipe it with a damp cloth.

    This may seem harmless, but is inconsistent with the views taken on other matters and customs where their origins are highlighted in the publications to warn true Christians to avoid them.

    Take as an example, this one from the Awake! Of January 8, 1985, on page 27:
    Under the heading Why the Clinking of Glasses? It reads:

    “Have you ever noticed people at parties or in restaurants clinking their beverage glasses before taking a drink? If you asked them why they did this, most of them could not give you an answer. Or they may feel it is a harmless act among friends.

    However, they may be surprised to learn that it is an ancient superstitious custom. According to the American Library Association, thousands of years ago people had the ridiculous notion that when they took a drink the Devil could enter their bodies through their open mouth. And they actually believed that this evil spirit could be frightened by noise. So to avoid this danger they noisily banged their goblets. In Europe, drinkers still bash their beer steins or make the sign of the cross. And some primitive people, including certain Africans, will ring bells before downing their drinks.”

    So, it’s wrong to clink glasses because of some connection with something in the distant past, but the same does not apply to drinking cappucino.

    You might be able to think of other examples of things or customs that are discouraged or even outlawed for JWs because of past connections.

    One of these would be the cross on which Jesus is believed by many to have died.
    The Reasoning book on page 92 makes this comment:

    “How would you feel if one of your dearest friends was executed on the basis of false charges? Would you make a replica of the instrument of execution? Would you cherish it, or would you rather shun it?”

    However you believe Jesus died, the above quoted principle would apply. Yet why does it not apply to the cappucino?

    Perhaps too many brothers and sisters like to imbibe this tasty drink, and for it to be banned would create huge problems perhaps?

    How refreshing to read Paul’s words at Romans 14:1-4:

    “Welcome the [man] having weaknesses in [his] faith, but not to make decisions on inward questionings. One [man] has faith to eat everything, but the [man] who is weak eats vegetables. Let the one eating not look down on the one not eating, and let the one not eating not judge the one eating, for God has welcomed that one. Who are you to judge the house servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for Jehovah can make him stand.”

    Ozzie (a clinker from way back, but who prefers a short black to a cappo)

    Should a true Christian drink a cappucino?

    Perhaps you have never considered the matter, but what are the origins of this popular beverage?

    The name cappucino is derived from the word to describe the bones of 4,000 Capuchin friars in Rome, Italy. A visit to Rome may bring you to the Capuchin Crypt.

    This is the description given in the book “Let’s Go Western Europe (St Martin’s Press)”:
    Under the heading “TOO MUCH CAPPUCINO WILL DO THE SAME TO YOU” it reads,
    “The bones of 4,000 Capuchin friars (for whom cappucino is named) decorate the four rooms of the Church of L’Immacolata Concezione’s Capuchin Crypt, one of the most bizarre and elaborately macabre settings in Rome. A French monk inaugurated the crypt in 1528, but never saw his brilliant concept brought to its completion because the crypt was not finished until 1870. Angels deck the halls, with hip bones serving as wings. The bodies of more recently dead friars stand, robed and hooded, beneath bone arches. Even the hanging lights are made of bones. Dirt was shipped in especially from Jerusalem to line the floors. The last chapel displays two severed arms with mummy-like skin hanging on the back wall. Also featured in this chapel is a child’s skeleton plastered to the ceiling, holding a scale and a reaper, and accompanied by the uplifting inscription: ‘What you are now we used to be, what we are now you will be’.”

    Could it be that this beverage’s origins have escaped the notice of the F&DS, for instaed of alerting the readers to its unsavoury origins, the Awake! Magazine of November 8, 1967, on page 22 gave instructions for making the drink. In case any readers missed getting the instructions, here they are from the Awake! Magazine:

    Instructions for Foaming Milk
    To foam and/or steam milk for cappuccinos and lattes, you will need a steel pitcher, cold milk, and a milk steamer. If your espresso maker does not include a wand for milk steaming, you can purchase a stand-alone device for this purpose.
    1. Fill a steel pitcher no more than halfway with cold milk.
    2. Place the steam wand just under the surface of the milk, and open the steam valve.
    3. Keep the tip of the wand barely under the surface, lowering the pitcher and incorporating more air as you foam.
    4. The ideal temperature is usually reached when the pitcher becomes too hot to touch.
    5. Close the steam valve, and remove the pitcher from under it. Then open the steam valve to clear any remaining milk, and wipe it with a damp cloth.

    This may seem harmless, but is inconsistent with the views taken on other matters and customs where their origins are highlighted in the publications to warn true Christians to avoid them.

    Take as an example, this one from the Awake! Of January 8, 1985, on page 27:
    Under the heading Why the Clinking of Glasses? It reads:

    “Have you ever noticed people at parties or in restaurants clinking their beverage glasses before taking a drink? If you asked them why they did this, most of them could not give you an answer. Or they may feel it is a harmless act among friends.

    However, they may be surprised to learn that it is an ancient superstitious custom. According to the American Library Association, thousands of years ago people had the ridiculous notion that when they took a drink the Devil could enter their bodies through their open mouth. And they actually believed that this evil spirit could be frightened by noise. So to avoid this danger they noisily banged their goblets. In Europe, drinkers still bash their beer steins or make the sign of the cross. And some primitive people, including certain Africans, will ring bells before downing their drinks.”

    So, it’s wrong to clink glasses because of some connection with something in the distant past, but the same does not apply to drinking cappucino.

    You might be able to think of other examples of things or customs that are discouraged or even outlawed for JWs because of past connections.

    One of these would be the cross on which Jesus is believed by many to have died.
    The Reasoning book on page 92 makes this comment:

    “How would you feel if one of your dearest friends was executed on the basis of false charges? Would you make a replica of the instrument of execution? Would you cherish it, or would you rather shun it?”

    However you believe Jesus died, the above quoted principle would apply. Yet why does it not apply to the cappucino?

    Perhaps too many brothers and sisters like to imbibe this tasty drink, and for it to be banned would create huge problems perhaps?

    How refreshing to read Paul’s words at Romans 14:1-4:

    “Welcome the [man] having weaknesses in [his] faith, but not to make decisions on inward questionings. One [man] has faith to eat everything, but the [man] who is weak eats vegetables. Let the one eating not look down on the one not eating, and let the one not eating not judge the one eating, for God has welcomed that one. Who are you to judge the house servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for Jehovah can make him stand.”

    Ozzie (a clinker from way back, but who prefers a short black to a cappo)

  • ozziepost
    ozziepost

    This looks like a double strength cappo to me :I :I

    Ozzie (of the puzzled how did that happen to me class?)

  • ZazuWitts
    ZazuWitts

    Hi Ozzie

    Hahaha, thanks for the LaUgH! Maybe you drank too many 'short blacks' - you know, those caffeine jItTeRssSsss!

    Very interesting info re cappucino though - ty for posting.

    ZaZu (who also prefers it straight,
    and already has too many gadgets in her kitchen.) :) :) :)

  • Latte
    Latte

    Ozziepost,

    Ok, so cappuccinos are definitely out. But please don't bring Latte's into this!!!
    I will NOT give it up!!! It takes a lot to make me hot and frothy, but this is too much!

    You highlighted *****Instructions for Foaming Milk
    To foam and/or steam milk for cappuccinos and lattes, you will need a steel pitcher, cold milk, and a milk steamer. *****

    What say you Java???

    Latte

    Edited by - Latte on 9 February 2001 8:49:29

  • Englishman
    Englishman

    Ha Ha! Most Amusing!

    Now..............I hope that no one is eating beef anymore.
    BECAUSE: There are is so much beef cattle in the world today, that their farting is destroying the ozone layer with the vast amounts of methane gas that is being produced.

    As Jehovah is going to "bring to ruin those ruining the earth", it stands to reson that cows are therefore a a bad association.

    I propose that all JW beef cattle farmers should be DF`d without further notice.

    Englishman (Gotta dash, my black pudding is getting cold).

  • TR
    TR

    Oh, man! Just when I thought I had rid myself of demons, they come back in my cappucino! No, no wait, TR, the WTS has endorsed cappucino in print! Yeah yeah, it's OK! But, what if they find out about the bones of the friars and reverse their position? And, and what if they flip flop back when they see how rediculous it is, only to do yet another reversal? Oh, I can't stand the stress of it all!

    Oh Jehovah, why can't your organization get the right answer from you? Hold on...channeling now...channeling...Jehovah? Wassup JAH?! What? The GB really stands for "Geriatric Baffoons"? Oh, I see. Yeah, you're right, they don't know shit from shinola!

    May we please hear from JW's or their supporters on this matter? This is but a small example of the hypocracy of WTS doctrine that we all have come to know and love.[8>]

    TR

    Edited by - TR on 9 February 2001 10:29:8

  • ChuckD
    ChuckD

    If I remember correctly, the main difference is that Shinola makes a slightly tastier sandwich spread.

  • eyes_opened
    eyes_opened

    Hey! I say if kids can't celebrate their birthdays 'cause the two listed in the bible weren't cool...Then it stands to reason if cappuino is associated with such heinousness, we are all behooved as christians to avoid the evil wicked beverage

    BRB.....have to get my coffee

    LOL

    Thanks for the funny post Ozzie

    "One Persons Heresy Is Anothers Truth"

  • Frenchy
    Frenchy

    There is no substitue for coffee. There is no coffee except Community dark roast.
    --Cajun Dogma. Frenchy, page one, paragraph one.

    -Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it-

  • JAVA
    JAVA

    Do you want to know if you suffer from "Alertness Deficit Disorder" (ADD)? Then just take this simple quiz. These questions will help us to determine whether or not you suffer from this terrible affliction; the only known cure for which is caffeine.

    1. Do you use coffee to escape from your problems?

    2. Do you eat spoonfuls of instant coffee because it's easier?

    3. Have you ever woken up in a puddle of your own coffee?

    4. Do you find that it's easier to drink more coffee than go to sleep?

    5. a) Have you ever drunk cold coffee?

    b) Right out of the pot?

    6. Do you spend more than 20% of your income on coffee and/or coffee related products?

    7. Does your coffee cup resemble a beer stein?

    8. Has anyone ever told you that you "have a problem"?

    9. Do you need coffee:
    a) ...to get up in the morning?
    b) ...to get out of bed?
    c) ...to be injected intravenously to stimulate blood-flow?

    10. Do you own a "Coffee Helmet"? (For the culturally ignorant, a coffee-helmet is a hat with coffee-cups attached to it and a straw coming out of each cup leading to the mouth, used for hands-free drinking.)

    11. Do Native North American Aboriginal Indian Peoples call you "Ona mac towanda" (Smells-like-coffee)?

    12. Does your doctor measure your heartbeat on the Richter scale as well as by its frequency?

    13. Have you ever sold personal or other people's possessions just to get your fix for the day?

    14. Does the phrase "swiss water decaffienated" strike terror into your heart?

    15. a) Do you have a coffee maker in more than one room of your house?
    b) ...in more than five?
    c) ...in your bathroom?

    16. a) Do the people at Second Cup refuse do give you free coffee cards anymore?
    b) ...because you're wearing out their hole-punch?
    c) ...and it's bad for the environment?

    17. Do you grind your own coffee?

    18. Do you grow your own coffee?

    19. Have you ever been fired from a job because you're "drinking their profits"?

    20. a) Do you know Juan Valdez?
    b) ...and his donkey?
    c) ...intimately?

    21. Do you salivate uncontrollably whenever you hear dripping water?

    22. a) Is sleep a hobby of yours?
    b) ...that you don't like?
    c) ...because it's too frustrating?

    The number of times you answered YES means:

    20-22 You are a well-rounded member of society with a love for life and you are very wise.

    17-19 You are a slightly jagged member of society, life's okay but it could be better and you are relatively naive.

    16-0 What are you, some kinda nature-freak tree-hugger!? Coffee's not good enough for you, huh? Here, have some more TOFU! How about some ALFALFA TEA?!? GET A LIFE!

    From http://www.dhia.psu.edu/caffine.htm

    --JAVA, a cup without coffee is like a room without windows

    Edited by - JAVA on 9 February 2001 11:22:6

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