ORAL SEX; the forbidden years! How did it affect you?

by Terry 36 Replies latest members adult

  • Terry
    Terry

    I'll never forget how embaressed I was when I discovered that it had been my very own wife who wrote the letter to the Watchtower asking if it was "proper" for a married JW to engage in the practice of oral sex.

    Why was I embaressed?

    I'd never had any!! I was sure everybody would look at me and recoil in horror. They must be thinking "Oh, he is pressuring his poor wife!".

    I had been a virgin when I married. I knew nothing about anything! I'd only heard this particular fancy spoken of in the most vulgar way. I was sure it was an abstract metaphor of some kind.

    But, my wife wrote the letter and what was the Watchtower response?

    IT ROCKED THE WORLD!!! It was considered on the same level as homosexuality; forbidden.

    So, how did it affect you??

  • avishai
    avishai

    It never did! I got out at 18, so I did'nt have the problem. Gosh, your poor wife!! She did'nt know what she was missing! Darn her for writing that letter, tho'!!

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    If I may be so bold as to speculate? :-D It seems likely that your wife's letter was not "the" letter, but one of many, unless you know specifically different? This may have been pre "the decree", but while oral sex was not nearly as commonly discussed 40 years ago, it was still a VERY common practice, I mean afterall, when you get right down to it (pardon the pun), it is as natural as kissing. Ray Franz indicated that they were flooded with letters and calls after *the decree*. The letter that I find most indicting, is the one from the man (or body of elders of the man) who was a parapalegic, and oral sex was the only way he could be sexual with his wife. Fucking Assholes.

    Which brings me to my next bit of speculation, lol. While an outside "witness" observer might have thought you pressuring your wife, I can't help but think a woman who would have written such a letter to the head-quarters (pun intended), is also likely to be a woman who can give as well as she gets; pressure and uhmm, stuff.

    In any case, if you saved the letter and their response, it would be priceless!

    This is funny to think about. I knew from the minute I read their lame opinion, that they were boneheadedly wrong on this one. And this was, if I remember correctly, before I'd had any sex at all, let alone oral. Even then it was an affront to my intelligence for them to A) go so obviously outside of the bible, and B) tell anyone that their spouse couldn't kiss them in certain places; I mean, where the hell did they draw the line.

    As to how it affected me? Well, I think it affected me in a round about fashion, even though I thought it was a horseshit edict from the start.

    I actually like bringing this subject up with just about any witness. Beyond it being great for them to be forced into uncomfortable conversations about things they are prudish to discuss (a slap with the hand of reality does wonders sometimes), the logic of this subject is so clear that even the most devoted worshipper of the GB can see that they are idiots on this one.

  • Terry
    Terry

    The back of the Watchtower had the question from JW in Fort Worth Texas. My wife was JoAnn Walstrom and we were in Fort Worth, Texas. I kidded her about it and she then grew embaressed and "confessed" it was she who wrote the letter.

    Some of the WT reasoning:

    So, the application of the term "sodomy" in modern times to the mentioned forms of copulation shows that we are not unreasonable in saying they are not only "unnatural" but grossly so.

    ?Therefore the overruling of some state law and the declaring of oral copulation (or similar unnatural copulation) as 'legal' does not alter our Bible-based position. In a world of decaying morals we can expect that some law courts may succumb in varying degrees to the growing trend toward sexual perversion, just as some of the clergy and doctors have done.

    It is not our purpose to attempt to draw a precise line as to where what is "natural" ends and what is "unnatural" begins. But we believe that, by meditating on Bible principles, a Christian should at least be able to discern what is grossly unnatural. In other areas, the Christian's individual conscience will have to guide, and this includes questions regarding caresses and 'love play' prior to intercourse. (Compare Proverbs 5:18, 19.) But even here the Christian who wants to produce the fruits of God's holy spirit will wisely avoid practices that approach, or could easily lead one to fall into, unnatural forms of copulation.

    What if certain married couples in the congregation in the past or even in recent times have engaged in practices such as those just described, not appreciating till now the gravity of the wrong? Then they can seek God's forgiveness in prayer and prove their sincere repentance by desisting from such gross unnatural acts. So, the application of the term "sodomy" in modern times to the mentioned forms of copulation shows that we are not unreasonable in saying they are not only "unnatural" but grossly so.

    ?Therefore the overruling of some state law and the declaring of oral copulation (or similar unnatural copulation) as 'legal' does not alter our Bible-based position. In a world of decaying morals we can expect that some law courts may succumb in varying degrees to the growing trend toward sexual perversion, just as some of the clergy and doctors have done.

    It is not our purpose to attempt to draw a precise line as to where what is "natural" ends and what is "unnatural" begins. But we believe that, by meditating on Bible principles, a Christian should at least be able to discern what is grossly unnatural. In other areas, the Christian's individual conscience will have to guide, and this includes questions regarding caresses and 'love play' prior to intercourse. (Compare Proverbs 5:18, 19.) But even here the Christian who wants to produce the fruits of God's holy spirit will wisely avoid practices that approach, or could easily lead one to fall into, unnatural forms of copulation.

    What if certain married couples in the congregation in the past or even in recent times have engaged in practices such as those just described, not appreciating till now the gravity of the wrong? Then they can seek God's forgiveness in prayer and prove their sincere repentance by desisting from such gross unnatural acts.

  • SixofNine
    SixofNine

    lol, well then, you certainly know specifically. Your wife is a hero! lol. (I do think that a letter only gets published if it one of many, and I've even heard speculation from well informed sources that many times the QFR's are often "composite" letters).


    Sheesh, reading their garbage again makes me almost as angry as it did at the start of my exit. What truly evil men.

  • Lecari12RuleU
    Lecari12RuleU

    When some young people we grew up with got married in 96' they didn't know if oral sex was againast bible standards and they had done lots of research on it to see if it was allow by the society. They said they hadn't found anything stating against it, so they did it when they got married. My husband and I too did some research on the 95' watchtower cd rom and nothing. Nothing saying NOT to do this practice, etc. SO HOW the heck are ppl supposed to know what to do or not, if the society doesn't tell them what not ot do? or do? It's all confusing and stupid. Glad I don't care either way anymore what the JW think about sex. I do what I want. lol.

  • Terry
    Terry

    It only proves one thing to me: being a Jehovah's Witness doesn't clue a person in to how to determine anything---it makes them dependant on the opinion of an elite group in Brooklyn who are old, surly women-haters who pull the answers out of their cloaca.

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow
    an elite group in Brooklyn who are old, surly women-haters

    Yep, they like that slave labor and it sure attracts more than a few men to the religion.

    I have wondered why there are soooooo many threads on this one subject, oral sex, on JWD.

  • ballistic
    ballistic

    Well, SHOCK HORROR! even us apostates have standards of decency and this aint one of them! As far as I'm concerened every concenting adult male knows how to please a woman.

  • FlyingHighNow
    FlyingHighNow
    As far as I'm concerened every concenting adult male knows how to please a woman.

    And surprise, surprise if a man knows what he's doing OS is not always that important.

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