The 2300 Daze of Daniel

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  • refiners fire
    refiners fire

    As many of you would know, The 2300 days of Daniel In Daniel chapter 8 verse 14 have been a significant prophetic period in Watchtower history. Pastor Russell held certain interpretations of them. Later abandoned. But the REINTERPRETATION of Daniel 8 verse 14 has been going on into much more recent times. As the quotes below demonstrate ..

    An Organizational book studied at the Bookstudy : YOUR WILL BE DONE ON EARTH (1958) Chapter 9. Subheading THE TRANSGRESSION THAT MAKES DESOLATION. Talking about the 2300 Days of Daniel. It Points out when the 2300 days commenced:

    QUOTE. The convention opened on Tuesday, May 25, 1926, and continued through the following Monday, May 31. Friday afternoon,.. the Society's president submitted to the convention a Resolution entitled "A Testimony to the Rulers of the World.".The fifth clause of the Resolution then said that "contrary to the Word of God the commercial, political and ecclesiastical rulers attempted to stabilize the world and keep the peoples under control by adopting that makeshift which is called the League of Nations and which was wrongfully and blasphemously hailed as the political expression of God's kingdom on earth; that the real author and father of the League of Nations compact is Satan the Devil. Not only was this Resolution enthusiastically adopted by the convention of Jehovah's saintly people that Friday, but the following Sunday night it was submitted to a public audience that packed out the Royal Albert Hall the vast audience rose solidly in expressing itself in favor of God's government just described.. Next day, except for the full page devoted by the Daily News to reporting the Resolution and the public address, the London newspapers hushed up the biggest, most important news of the times. Still reprints of the full page of the Daily News of May 31, 1926, were widely circulated, and the Resolution was published around the earth. The Testimony was served upon the nations of the earth..

    This ignoring, by the Anglo American power of The Judges proclamation amounted to a transgression, and commenced the 2300 days May 25 th 1926. as the book says about this horrible TRANSGRESSION:

    QUOTE.A "transgression" against God, a "transgression that makes desolate," that appalls and astonishes all who long and pray for God's promised kingdom of his Christ. What disgusting conduct on the part of the worldly nations!..

    May God forgive them!! The British and American Government ignoring Judge Rutherfords public talk sure had dramatic affects. Shame they didnt listen. Anyway, when then did the 2300 days end? Thats easy to work out, The book continues:

    QUOTE..Count now from the beginning of this International Convention of London on May 25, 1926, and we shall find that the 2,300 days of evenings and mornings bring us to October 15, 1932.. How was Jehovah's "sanctuary" cleansed, vindicated or restored to its rightful state by that date? Examine the official journal of Jehovah's witnesses, The Watchtower, as of that date. Note page 319. That page sets out the Resolution adopted by the New York company of Jehovah's witnesses on October 5, 1932. It called for a cleansing of the congregational organization, a restoring of it to the rightful state of Jehovah's sanctuary class. How? By the ridding of the organization of "elective elders," or elders that had been elected to the office of eldership by the stretching out of the hands of the members of the congregation in a popular or democratic election, after the political style of the ancient Greek states and the democratic Anglo-American dual world power .

    So the October 15, 1932 Watchtower carried a resolution calling for the end to elected elders and this ended the 2300 days, a stunning organizational proof , conclusive evidence that Jehovah himself caused that ARTICLE to be PUBLISHED in that issue of the WT!! Bringing the Org back into right condition. Amazing stuff.

    Now read this from the WATCHTOWER of December 1, 1971. Article- WHAT ITS RIGHT CONDITION MEANS FOR US TODAY.

    Actually,an aside for a moment, heres an interesting little quote from paragraph 2 of the article. Just caught my eye:

    QUOTEIn the spring of 1919 Jehovah God revived them from their prostrate spiritual condition and regathered them for courageous, open worship at his sanctuary. Once again publicly they took up preaching the good news of God's kingdom as foretold in Matthew 24:14..

    In 1919 they RECOMMENCED the World wide Preaching work huh? I didnt know that one. Anyway, back to the subject of the 2300 days. This article says the 2300 days of Daniel commenced sometime between June 1 and June 15, 1938. The writer doesnt seem certain EXACTLY when!

    QUOTE In the June 1, 1938, issue of The Watchtower appeared the first part of the article entitled "Organization." It was thrilling for worshipers at Jehovah's sanctuary to read these sentences of the opening paragraph: "Jehovah's organization is in no wise democratic. Jehovah is supreme, and his government or organization is strictly theocratic. This conclusion is not open to successful contradiction."

    Ill bet they were thrilled to bits to read that and burst into thunderous and spontaneous applause. Anyway, thats the EVIDENCE that the 2300 days commenced June 1. There was also EVIDENCE they commenced on June 15, 1938:

    QUOTE..The June 15, 1938, issue of The Watchtower published the second part of "Organization," and it set out a resolution for adoption by the congregations of Jehovah's witnesses, the opening paragraph of which said: "We, the company of God's people taken out for his name, and now at .___.___.___.___.___.___.___.___.___.___.___, recognize that God's government is a pure theocracy and that Christ Jesus is at the temple and in full charge and control of the visible organization of Jehovah, as well as the invisible." (Page 182) This called for appointment theocratically, from the top down, for all officiating servants in all congregations..

    Now if the 2300 days commence ABOUT those dates , when ABOUT do they conclude? The article continues:

    QUOTE.If we thus count from the critical period when theocratic organization was being more fully installed in the congregations of Jehovah's witnesses, when did the 2,300 days end?.. Remember, this is a prophetic period. So a prophetic year of 360 days is involved. (Rev. 11:2, 3; 12:6, 14) So 2,300 days would amount to six lunar years, four lunar months and twenty days. That amount of time counted from Sivan 2 (June 1), 1938, would end on Tishri 21 (October 8), 1944, or, counted from Sivan 16 (June 15), 1938, it would end on Heshvan 5 (October 22), 1944...

    So they concluded ABOUT October 8 to 22 in 1944. And what Stunning Organizational LANDMARK event occurred in October 1944 to PROVE that the 2300 Days ended then? :

    QUOTE..Nicely timed, though the anointed remnant was then not aware of it, came the publication of the leading article entitled "Organized for Final Work" in the October 15, 1944, issue of The Watchtower. Right on its heels, in the November 1 issue came the leading article announcing "Theocratic Organization in Action." Under appropriate subheadings this article discussed "President," .Servant," . "Governing Body," In the article that followed the above, in the same issue of The Watchtower, namely, "The Theocratic Alignment Today," paragraph 3 said: "The visible governing body of the Theocratic organization is and must be appointed only by Jehovah God the Supreme Ruler, and Christ Jesus the Head of His church. Its purpose is to issue directions and spiritual provisions to all God's people. Acting in harmony with the governing body, all the Theocratic organization and its associates act in unity throughout the earth."..

    Amazing. The former landmark Watchtower event calling for the ceasing of democratically elected elders has now been superceded by another LANDMARK event. The publishing of an article mentioning the term GOVERNING BODY. Surely this 1944 Article is the famous article which caused Jehovahs Organization to BEGIN to speak about a GOVERNING BODY. Which GOVERNING BODY, incidentally, wasnt officially created and inaugurated until 1971. Isnt PRESENT TRUTH wonderful? It is not dogmatic like humanistic science, because it changes and shifts as revelation is opened up to understanding by a beneficent God.

    Lol.

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    RF: Ah yes, the good old days when we had everything figured out to the very day! LOLOL

    A couple more that came to mind:

    re: Revelation 12:6--

    W 3/1/25 p. 72

    Now take your pencil and count 1260 literal days from the date of releasing of the Societys officers from prison, and see what we find. Since the release was effective at the close of the 26 th day of March, 1919...the time must count then from the day following; namely March 27...Did anything happen on the 8 th day of September, 1922? At that time the Cedar Point Convention was in session. The 8 th day of September was designated on the program as The Day Previous to this time, large banners had been hung in different parts of the grounds and halls containing the letters, A D V...Advertise the King and the Kingdom.

    re: 1925---

    W 2/15/25 pp. 54-6

    In Luke 21:24 Jesus stated that Jerusalem, standing for the Jewish nation, would be trodden down, or under the domination of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled...As early as 1876 and 1877 the Bible was shown to have foretold 1914 as the close of the times of the Gentiles. Many Bible Students heralded 1914 as the end of the world; not the destruction of the earth, but the end of the age, or dominion of the Gentiles...It was July-August, 606 BC, that the Gentiles gained complete control of the world; and exactly on time, 2520 years later, even to the month of the year, the dispossession work began...The number ten is often used in the Scriptures, and apparently there is some peculiar significance attached to it...The same is doubtless true in regard to ten years. Ten years from 1914 is 1924. If the Jews were in their homeland we would have expected the blowing of the typical jubilee trumpets to begin about October 1 st , 1924, announcing the year 1925 as the jubilee...Bible Students know that the number seven often has peculiar significance in the Scriptures. Note the many times it is used in Revelation and in connection with the jubilee. It will be remembered by all associated with the work in 1916 that trouble began almost immediately following Brother Russell's death. However, it was not until the Seventh Volume came out that the trouble culminated. It was on the seventeenth of July, 1917, that The Finished Mystery was distributed to the Bethel family, and it was on that day that trouble at Bethel came to a head, and continued until many who had been very active in the service for years withdrew from further activities in connection with the Society. July 17 th , 1917, was therefore a marked date...[Referring to the July 20-27, 1924 Columbus, Ohio convention] July 17 th is almost exactly seven years prior to July 20 th , when the Columbus Convention opened.

    The coincidences are simply too incredible. I'm gonna go get reinstated right away, they MUST be God's organization. LOLOLOLOLOL

    Craig

    [Edited to add in ellipses that didn't copy over]

    Edited by - onacruse on 17 January 2003 23:54:19

  • refiners fire
    refiners fire

    hmmmm. Yeah Ona. the early 20s were an interesting period. So were the 70s, when I was growing up, There was an "expectation" and they said a lot of radical stuff. Maybe our "Quotes" guy could insert that one i put together on the 2300 days into his site if it isnt there already.

  • onacruse
    onacruse

    RF: Quotes told me just this week that he would like to have a lot more info on his site. He gave me some suggestions of what would work for his needs.

    Craig

    edited to remove: "Perhaps you might like to contact him." LOL What a jerk I can be!

    Edited by - onacruse on 18 January 2003 1:12:5

  • Guest 77
    Guest 77

    Refiners Fire, why did you quit, it was just getting interesting and you cut 'short' my interest. As your well aware, they have always tried to 'fit' the dates to 'suit' their interpretation. As Solomon said, "Nothing new under the sun".

    Guest 77

  • plmkrzy
    plmkrzy

    YOU WILL BE DONE ON EARTH

    lol

    This article says the 2300 days of Daniel commenced sometime between June 1 and June 15, 1938. The writer doesnt seem certain EXACTLY when!

    Hencedazed? I thought at first (when opening this thread) you were referring to Daniel as dazed and perhaps confused.

    How do you feel about Daniel not even having anything to do with any of this?

  • refiners fire
    refiners fire

    Plummy. My spellings bad but not THAT bad. The only "Dazed" ones are those reading thru the Watchtowers prophetic interpretations looking for consistency, logical argumention and clarity of interpretation.

  • DannyBear
    DannyBear

    Refiners,

    ***Then, along comes the THEOCRATIC Watchtower Printing Company(tm) and everything falls into place! The major prophet Ezekiel pictured THEM. Isaiah pictured THEM. Jeremiah pictured THEM. Elijah pictured THEM. Elisha pictured THEM. Ruth pictured THEM. Naomi pictured THEM. John the Revelator pictured THEM. The ark that allegedly preserved the human race pictured THEM. Jesus' parables pointed to THEM. Major portions of the Revelation pointed to THEM. The seven mighty trumpet blasts in Revelation pointed to THEM and their puny little gatherings in the 1920's (which no one except themselves cared the least bit about). And on it goes. Here we have a book thousands of years old which everywhere within its pages supposedly "prophesied" about the leaders of a totally insignificant religion that can't get ANY prophecy of its own right, gets into tax trouble, abuses its membership on a daily basis, and hates everyone but themselves, including the governments that have protected and ensured that freedom to hate.*** Farkel

    Da Judge was so enraged at the 'authorities' for imprisoning him, that it seems everything he wrote, or edited thereafter, was a direct attack on them. I think he sat at his desk dreaming up ways to piss off the world.

    He did a very good job. No military service, no Christmas, no birthday's, no cross, no, no, no to everything religion or the 'nations' held sacred. Funny he never had to spend another day in jail, yet his cult followers like my father suffered severe beatings and jail time time after time.

    Forcing jw's to 'scream' out his message with loud speaker's while he sat peacefully secure in oppulent comfort siping a cool one. He was the 'chosen one' of god, ya know.

    Danny

  • plmkrzy
    plmkrzy

    ok

    btw, you don't check your mail anymore or what?

  • RandomTask
    RandomTask

    So let me get this straight, at the beginning of the 2300 days, a watchtower study article came out and then at the end of the 2300 days another watchtower study came out. Fullfillment of prophecy!

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